Status Meetings:2007-05-30:Log
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[12:00pm] ss: Let's wait a couple more minutes and see if we can pick up smorgan or murph. [12:01pm] peeja|out joined the chat room. [12:01pm] peeja|out was promoted to operator by you. [12:01pm] peeja|out is now known as peeja. [12:06pm] ss: Well, let's get started. [12:06pm] ss: Camino 1.5: [12:06pm] ss: We're ready with the en-US version. [12:06pm] ss: The Gecko release is today, which means we could, theoretically, release today. [12:07pm] ss: One problem with that is that the ML build isn't quite ready and the website isn't either. [12:07pm] ss: I propose we release without the website being ready. [12:07pm] pinkerton: what changes would hve to be made to the current website? [12:07pm] ss: Just some version # changes [12:07pm] ardissone|food: support can be uploaded as is [12:07pm] ss: It'd take an hour or two as it is. [12:07pm] ardissone|food: i made all my changes there to the old files [12:07pm] ss: But the new site would take a few more days of me working on that to get it there. [12:08pm] ss: Yeah [12:08pm] pinkerton: seems like a shame to not have a list of new features ready on the front page, at least [12:08pm] ardissone|food: we can do that [12:08pm] ss: Hm, well [12:08pm] pinkerton: like, oh, spellcheck? [12:08pm] ardissone|food: that's 5-10 mins [12:08pm] ardissone|food: that bullet list? [12:08pm] ss: We could release a new front page [12:08pm] ss: That was separate and only had the download link. [12:08pm] ss: No support or anything. Put up "coming soon" pages or something. [12:08pm] mento: how long will it take to change the numbers on the current site? [12:08pm] ss: Because we do have in-product links that can't break. [12:08pm] ss: mento: An hour or two, max. [12:09pm] ardissone|food: i'd rather incrementally rev the existing front page than that [12:09pm] mento: leave the existing front page and site, bump the numbers, and list some 1.5 features on the main page? [12:10pm] pinkerton: yeah [12:10pm] ss: Yeah, that'd be fine. [12:10pm] mento: all opposed? [12:10pm] mento: k [12:10pm] ardissone|food: yeah, that's good [12:10pm] ardissone|food: bug 382331 is really making the finished MLs suck [12:10pm] ardissone|food: if you haven't been follwoing [12:10pm] ss: Right, so the one last thing we need to decide is when to actually release. [12:11pm] ss: If we want to wait for ML a little longer, I think they're almost ready [12:11pm] pinkerton: didn't we give them a deadline? [12:11pm] ss: We can give them 'til Monday or something and release on Tuesday [12:11pm] ss: We did [12:11pm] ss: They had problems, as that bug shows. [12:11pm] ardissone|food: the build exists, but that bug sucks [12:11pm] ss: Right [12:11pm] pinkerton: a button? [12:11pm] pinkerton: that's it? [12:11pm] pinkerton: really? [12:12pm] ardissone|food: you want that to be the first thing you see? [12:12pm] ss: Literally. [12:12pm] ardissone|food: text that doesn't fit right? [12:12pm] ss: The first thing. [12:12pm] pinkerton: hm [12:12pm] ss: It's right on top and everything. [12:12pm] pinkerton: why can't they just make it fit? [12:12pm] ardissone|food: we hard-coded crap in code [12:13pm] ardissone|food: according to smrogan [12:13pm] ardissone|food: (it's a code dialogue) [12:13pm] ardissone|food: so they're changing button text [12:13pm] ardissone|food: to make it fit [12:13pm] pinkerton: why did we do that? [12:13pm] ardissone|food: don't ask me [12:13pm] mento: deal with a short string for now, move it into a nib, i'd argue, for 1.5.1 [12:14pm] ardissone|food: get rid of it for `.6 [12:14pm] pinkerton: what guarantee do we have that ML will be done by monday? [12:14pm] pinkerton: probably 0%? [12:15pm] ardissone|food: 6 of 11 have already sent changes to marcello [12:15pm] ss: Well, we can release without them, but this really does suck, overall. Our first run experience should be good, not bad. [12:15pm] ss: Yeah [12:15pm] ss: They're coming in fast [12:15pm] ss: And the ones that don't, he can just leave out [12:15pm] ardissone|food: or look at the string fro 1.0 [12:15pm] ss: Right [12:16pm] pinkerton: so june 5, about a week before wwdc [12:16pm] ss: Yeah [12:16pm] pinkerton: basically slip a week [12:16pm] ss: Basically. A little less [12:16pm] ss: We wouldn't release today anyway [12:16pm] ss: We'd do it tomorrow or Friday. [12:16pm] pinkerton: ah [12:17pm] pinkerton: ok then, let's do tuesday, hell or high water, ML or not [12:17pm] pinkerton: we can have the website ready then, yes? [12:17pm] ss: Yes. [12:17pm] pinkerton: ok [12:17pm] ss: Or rather "ready" in the sense we said above. [12:17pm] mento: wfm [12:17pm] pinkerton: k next? [12:17pm] ss: Moving on? [12:17pm] ss: 1.0.5 [12:17pm] ss: We should try and get that out in the next two weeks. [12:18pm] ss: But WWDC will almost certainly get in the way [12:18pm] pinkerton: in the way of engineering, or in the way of press? [12:18pm] ss: Engineering [12:18pm] ss: We don't need much press for 1.0.5 [12:18pm] ss: It's just our last 10.2 release [12:18pm] ardissone|food: 10.2, we love you, but bye [12:18pm] pinkerton: that's what i figured [12:19pm] ss: Everything's about ready, just need a couple more reviews and such. [12:19pm] ardissone|food: murph's patch has r/sr now [12:19pm] ss: Hopefully we can knock that out and get it out there. [12:19pm] ardissone|food: not sure if the changes need to be made before checkin or not [12:19pm] ss: Yeah, the long standing old bug is finally fixed. [12:19pm] pinkerton: ok, we'll just see what we can do [12:19pm] ss: (bug 175651) [12:19pm] ardissone|food: well, work-ed around [12:19pm] ss: Sure [12:20pm] ardissone|food: i'll finish relnotes this weekend [12:20pm] ss: Sounds good [12:20pm] ss: Next, 1.6... [12:20pm] ardissone|food: smorgan says they can just use the 1.5 nib full-stop [12:20pm] ss: There's a link in the wiki of the 1.6 planning page. http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Planning:Camino_1.6 [12:21pm] ss: That's the overall plan, based one some things we talked about. [12:21pm] ss: If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to say them. [12:21pm] pinkerton: has the whining about the tab scrolling been silenced, or are we still dealing with "i'll never upgrade, you suck" debates? [12:21pm] ss: This really should be a quick update if we can get out a couple new features. [12:21pm] ss: There was whining? If it was significant, I think it got silenced after Firefox 2. [12:22pm] pinkerton: i saw some on the mailing list [12:22pm] ardissone|food: i've heard no more, but smorgan seemed to promise some way to disable it [12:22pm] ss: Oh, heh [12:22pm] ardissone|food: which seemed out-of-charaver [12:22pm] ardissone|food: *character [12:22pm] ardissone|food: if i understood him [12:22pm] ardissone|food: no-one on the forum has complained, of course [12:23pm] pinkerton: ok [12:23pm] pinkerton: just askin' [12:23pm] ss: And, really, I'm not sure we care. [12:23pm] ardissone|food: i think getting the all tabs menu just right will placate almost everyone [12:23pm] ss: We'll retriage the bugs for 1.6 after we release 1.5. [12:23pm] pinkerton: yeah [12:23pm] ardissone|food: that, too [12:24pm] ss: Blah blah, etc etc... work on your 1.6 bugs, you know it. [12:24pm] ss: SoC began this week. [12:24pm] ss: Go jeff! [12:24pm] pinkerton: yay! [12:24pm] ss: Jeff started a blog for it [12:24pm] ss: summerofcamino.com [12:24pm] ss: Check it out, pay attention, and we'll see where it goes. [12:24pm] ss: It's a big project and I'm looking forward to it. [12:25pm] pinkerton: i love it when people can draw [12:25pm] ardissone|food: look at the mockups if you haven't already [12:25pm] ss: Tinderbox suck as normal, working on moving them still, but IT stopped caring so I'm pushing it less. [12:25pm] mento: just need the talkback shit sorted out [12:25pm] ss: Yeah [12:25pm] mento: so...close... [12:25pm] ss: Heh, we'll get there soon. [12:26pm] ss: Queues suck right now as bugs are getting backed up. [12:26pm] ss: The review queue has 18 [12:26pm] ardissone|food: 11 untargeted [12:26pm] ardissone|food: er, 12 [12:26pm] ss: pink has 6 SRs to do. [12:26pm] pinkerton: yowzah [12:26pm] ardissone|food: froodian should be back 9 june [12:26pm] pinkerton: i told people to poke me if it was backing up [12:26pm] ardissone|food: one is an rs [12:26pm] ss: Right, he'll get right on some of this when he gets back, I'm sure. [12:27pm] ardissone|food: of a ... -> … elipsis change [12:27pm] ardissone|food: i told smorgan there was no need for sr on that one [12:28pm] ss: Beyond that, everyone work on reviews and code this week. [12:28pm] ss: We want 1.6 to be done soon. [12:29pm] pinkerton: what' the # on that, i'll do it right now? [12:29pm] ss: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378544 [12:29pm] ardissone|food: bug 378544: [12:30pm] pinkerton: done [12:30pm] ss: Alright, anyone have anything else? [12:30pm] ardissone|food: awesome [12:31pm] ss: Alright then, release is next Tuesday, everyone be ready for it and the increase in feedback. [12:31pm] ss: Go out and have fun this week, but be sure to work on your reviews. [12:31pm] ss: Later [12:31pm] ardissone|food: or take some reviews