Status Meetings:2007-06-27:Log

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[12:01pm] murph: hey everyone
[12:01pm] ardissone|food: welcome back, murph 
[12:01pm] Pinolo: hi all
[12:01pm] ardissone|food: afternoon (evening?) Pinolo 
[12:02pm] murph: thanks ardissone|food 
[12:02pm] Pinolo: late afternoon
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[12:06pm] ardissone|food: our fearless leader was planning on returning, no?
[12:06pm] smorgan: presumably
[12:07pm] ardissone|food: ok, we should wait a few more to get him and ss
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[12:12pm] smorgan: we may want to just start without him
[12:16pm] ardissone|food: ok
[12:16pm] ardissone|food: everyone open in your Camino
[12:17pm] ardissone|food: if you notice any issues/bugs with the website, file bugs under Product Site
[12:18pm] ardissone|food: we're still working on things
[12:18pm] ardissone|food: jon is pretty busy, so big things will take time
[12:20pm] ardissone|food: 1.5 was looking pretty ugly in Talkback for a while due to 1passwd-type crashes
[12:20pm] ardissone|food: but things are more sane now
[12:20pm] ardissone|food: the crash-on-quit bug is now #1, and flash #2
[12:21pm] ardissone|food: the big thing with 1.5 has been some issues with translations
[12:21pm] ardissone|food: we have german fixed
[12:21pm] Pinolo: yes we have it
[12:21pm] ardissone|food: and Pinolo's about ready to spin a new 1.5 ML to fix those and add Norwegian
[12:21pm] Pinolo: and fixed spanish
[12:22pm] ardissone|food: the question is what to do about bug 385774 for the 1.5 ML respin (as opposed to 1.5.1, where we'll land the fix everywhere)
[12:22pm] ardissone|food:
[12:23pm] smorgan: I'd say leave it for 1.5.1
[12:23pm] smorgan: it's not major functional breakage like the bookmarks
[12:24pm] ardissone|food: 1.5.1 likely early August
[12:25pm] ardissone|food: ok
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: 1.0.5 released without fanfare
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: one guy seems to be having a few issues
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: my guess is that they're mostly his Mac
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: we have some other 10.2 regulars on the forum and haven't heard issues from them
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: 1.6
[12:27pm] ardissone|food: there were some changes to the scope from the Meet-up that need to be reflected into the Scoping doc and Bugzilla
[12:28pm] ardissone|food: someone who was there probably needs to do that 
[12:28pm] ardissone|food: Bugzilla is saying 37 bugs right now
[12:28pm] peeja: looks at ss
[12:28pm] ardissone|food: apparently there's supposed to be some summaries of the meet-up for the wiki, too
[12:29pm] ardissone|food: and there's supposed to be a blog post about the mission statement
[12:29pm] ardissone|food: all I can do is assume they're in the pipe 
[12:30pm] ardissone|food: jeff's made some good progress on tabsposé; check his SoC blog for the latest dry goods
[12:30pm] ardissone|food: peeja is supposed to start blogging AppleScript soon
[12:30pm] peeja: on it
[12:30pm] ardissone|food: looks at peeja
[12:30pm] smorgan: Jeff is planning on having a preliminary patch up soon
[12:30pm] kreeger: cool
[12:30pm] ardissone|food: nice
[12:30pm] smorgan: (Doing just the drawing stuff)
[12:31pm] peeja: I should have a patch up today or tomorrow with most of the windows & tabs stuff
[12:31pm] ardissone|food:
[12:32pm] ardissone|food: we're getting closer to MoCo fixing talkback for community builds
[12:33pm] ardissone|food: which means shifting official builds to cb-x1 and the rest of the bunch going home with Sam for perf testing and whatnot
[12:33pm] ardissone|food: that's why the tree is red today
[12:33pm] ardissone|food: (talkback)
[12:33pm] ardissone|food: if you haven't already heard
[12:33pm] ardissone|food: as soon as that switch is done
[12:33pm] ardissone|food: 10.3 is dead on the trunk
[12:34pm] ardissone|food: which for us also means you'll be able to do your own project patches 
[12:34pm] peeja: does that mean I'm targeting 10.4+?
[12:34pm] ardissone|food: are you targeting branch or trunk?
[12:35pm] ardissone|food: i though both summer projects were tentatively targeting 1.6
[12:35pm] peeja: yeah, i guess I am
[12:35pm] ardissone|food: but i may be wrong
[12:36pm] ardissone|food: (not having a summary of the meet-up changes   )
[12:36pm] smorgan: I'll need to make a project file for us to check in, at some point. The upgrade Xcode does is sketchy
[12:36pm] ardissone|food: ew 
[12:36pm] ardissone|food: plus smorgan is going to bring order to the source pane
[12:37pm] ardissone|food: nothing new on bookmark loss that i've heard
[12:38pm] ardissone|food: other than people still on down-rev builds getting bit
[12:39pm] smorgan: Removing the fake safe-save may have prevented triggering whatever was happening
[12:39pm] ardissone|food: heh
[12:39pm] smorgan: If we continue to get nothing for another month or so, I'll assume that's true, rip out the messaging, and close the bug
[12:40pm] ardissone|food: ok
[12:40pm] Pinolo: excuse me... 1.6 = 10.3+ and 2.0 = 10.4+ right?
[12:40pm] smorgan: So far we have two emails from 1.5 users, both with unrelated, legit corruption
[12:40pm] smorgan: Pinolo: yes
[12:41pm] ardissone|food: (while i'm thinking about it, we probably need to ping jj about the status of that fixed AppleGlot build)
[12:42pm] ardissone|food: r queue is sitting a bit high in relation to the amount of weekly development, and the 5 r? without target has been sitting like that for several weeks
[12:42pm] Pinolo: yes, it's crucial to have AppleGlot running smooth for 1.6
[12:42pm] smorgan: I picked victims for a couple of my r?s
[12:42pm] ardissone|food: victims, please do mind your queues 
[12:43pm] kreeger: feel free to target me
[12:43pm] ardissone|food: anything else before we go to specific bugs?
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[12:44pm] ardissone|food: bug 384796
[12:44pm] thebot: ardissone|food: Bug nor, --, ---,, NEW, Call to |nsIStringBundleOverride| always beats the embedding calls.
[12:45pm] ardissone|food: this is the bug that's blocking the chrome strings l10n fix
[12:45pm] kreeger: anyone have any ideas of how I should poke?
[12:45pm] ardissone|food: kreeger wanted to know if we're just stuck waiting for bsmedberg to get to it?
[12:47pm] ardissone|food: he's in the channel a lot, so it seems at least you could ask when he might get to it, I'd guess
[12:48pm] ardissone|food: bug 379726
[12:48pm] thebot: ardissone|food: Bug nor, --, ---,, ASSI, [10.4] Javascript alert sheets don't open if Camino is hidden
[12:48pm] ardissone|food: this seems like a pretty nasty issue we'd like to clear up for 1.5.1?
[12:49pm] smorgan: I can review it, but if someone else can instead then I can sr
[12:51pm] ardissone|food: any takers, please r? yourself 
[12:51pm] smorgan: seems to recall kreeger volunteering
[12:52pm] ardissone|food: hehe
[12:52pm] kreeger: looks
[12:52pm] kreeger: assigns
[12:53pm] ardissone|food: ty 
[12:53pm] ardissone|food: do we want to discuss Bug 385791 w/o pink?
[12:53pm] thebot: ardissone|food: Bug enh, --, ---,, UNCO, Context-menu (Google) search should open in new tab/window
[12:54pm] smorgan: we can wait for next week
[12:54pm] ardissone|food: k
[12:54pm] ardissone|food: that's really it
[12:55pm] ardissone|food: We need to keep an eye on trunk regressions, determine if they're Camino-only or partly/wholly Core, and consider requesting blocking1.9? for the latter set.
[12:55pm] Pinolo: one more thing...
[12:56pm] ardissone|food: (we don't want to get caught with Cocoa widget bugs they won't let us fix when we get there because all Moz is on Cocoa now...)
[12:56pm] ardissone|food: Pinolo: go ahead
[12:56pm] Pinolo: do we want revisions of the ML package to be recongnizable or not?
[12:57pm] ardissone|food: does the app get a new date when you remake it?
[12:58pm] ardissone|food: new creation date?
[12:58pm] Pinolo: no
[12:59pm] Pinolo: where is that date stored?
[12:59pm] ardissone|food: It's HFS metadata
[1:00pm] ardissone|food: so for the ML, it's 3 Jun
[1:00pm] thebot: Camino: 'MacOSX Darwin 7.9.0 boxset Depend camino' has changed state from Success to Burning.
[1:00pm] peeja: heh
[1:00pm] ardissone|food: but 1.5 en is 9 May
[1:01pm] Pinolo: ok, so, the App gets a new date
[1:01pm] Pinolo: but it's only in the Finder
[1:01pm] Pinolo: I was referring to the string that apppears in the About box
[1:02pm] ardissone|food: the Finder is good enough for me
[1:02pm] smorgan: I'm not really wild about having two different versions called the same thing
[1:03pm] smorgan: "Do you have 1.5, or 1.5?"
[1:03pm] ardissone|food: ok
[1:03pm] Pinolo: This morning I was suggesting that iy might becom 1.5Int-b
[1:03pm] smorgan: I'd sort of like to see a 1.5.1 to fix ML, but maybe that's not realistic
[1:04pm] Pinolo: German was pretty broken
[1:04pm] smorgan: What's the string in the current ML?
[1:04pm] ardissone|food: 1.5Int
[1:04pm] smorgan: 1.5Int-v2?
[1:04pm] ardissone|food: yeah, I'd like to avoid "b"
[1:05pm] Pinolo: v2 (or anything else) is fine to me
[1:06pm] ardissone|food: we can even use a space to make it look less odd 
[1:06pm] ardissone|food: I.5Int v2
[1:06pm] thebot: Firefox: 'Linux qm-rhel02 dep unit test' has changed state from Burning to Success.
[1:06pm] You kicked thebot from the chat room. (not those builds)
[1:06pm] ardissone|food: going once
[1:07pm] kreeger:  /leave
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[1:07pm] ardissone|food: going twice
[1:07pm] Pinolo: ok so " v2", I'm adding it right now and pack the 1.5 and 1.0.5
[1:07pm] ardissone|food: 1.5Int v2 it is
[1:07pm] ardissone|food: ok
[1:08pm] ardissone|food: anything else from anyone?
[1:08pm] Pinolo: remember this if you meet any other german l10n bugs
[1:09pm] ardissone|food: i'll pass the word to the rest of QA
[1:09pm] ardissone|food: ok, thanks everyone
[1:10pm] ardissone|food: mind your Ps and Qs this week
[1:10pm] smorgan: Or just Rs
[1:10pm] ardissone|food: (patches and queues, that is)
[1:10pm] peeja: and remember who you're dealing with