Status Meetings:2007-08-08:Log

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[12:00pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: do we expect pink and/or mento today?
[12:02pm] smorgan: pink is exceedingly unlikely
[12:02pm] smorgan: not sure about mento
[12:03pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: i guess we can give mento a few minutes
[12:07pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: also, did anyone get a log from last week?
[12:08pm] peeja: there wasn't anything to log 
[12:08pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: TabThumbnailBoy said he would, but none is posted
[12:08pm] ardissone|nobugzilla:
[12:08pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: no one showed up?
[12:09pm] smorgan: ardissone|nobugzilla: not really
[12:13pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: ok, let's start today, but there may not be much to say
[12:13pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: everyone open your Camino to
[12:14pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: i haven't actually checked talback since I've been away
[12:14pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: i don't expect any substantive changes
[12:15pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: as near as I can tell, we're waiting on two things for 1.5.1:
[12:15pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: landing the relnotes, and landing the localized dmg instruction changes
[12:15pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: then mento gets to do his thing
[12:16pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: markus told me most of the relnote translations are ready
[12:16pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: so if we can get a candidate out this week, we can probably do a Tues release of 1.5.1
[12:16pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: hopes
[12:17pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: for 1.0.6, we need to land relnotes, and maybe the scrollbar arrows fix, if Core takes the bug that breaks it
[12:17pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: don't know when is set to go final
[12:18pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: anyone have anything to say about 1.6?
[12:19pm] peeja: sounds like a no 
[12:19pm] murph: i'm putting the last touches on the search engine editor and hope to post code maybe by the end of the week
[12:19pm] ardissone|nobugzilla:
[12:20pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: has anyone made any progress on the other major goals for 1.6 (breakpad, drag tabs, sw update)?
[12:21pm] smorgan: I'll probably look at my breakpad and sw update stuff next weekend
[12:21pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: froodian was supposed to be doing tabs, but we're going to have to figure something out there
[12:21pm] ardissone|nobugzilla:
[12:22pm] smorgan: I've mostly been recovering from 1.5 burnout, but I think I can attack real features soon
[12:22pm] ardissone|nobugzilla:
[12:22pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: cool
[12:22pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: shorter burnout period this time around 
[12:23pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: dun-dun-dun
[12:23pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: SoC update time!
[12:23pm] peeja: Well.
[12:23pm] peeja: Windows and Tabs has landed!
[12:23pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: yay!
[12:24pm] peeja: the Bookmarks patch is up now:
[12:24pm] peeja: We've also got our first post-soc-code-landing AS bug 
[12:24pm] peeja:
[12:25pm] peeja: smorgan: if you would, I'd like to you read through that before I mark it WONTFIX
[12:25pm] smorgan: Again? 
[12:25pm] peeja: since it means resigning us to some console output
[12:26pm] smorgan: Console output builds character
[12:26pm] peeja: I'd ask pink, but he's not here... 
[12:26pm] smorgan: I already commented there; I'm fine eating it
[12:26pm] peeja: (For the record, that's twice in a row now he's missed our meeting) 
[12:26pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: i see nothing today, btw, tho i've not exercised the scripting yet
[12:26pm] peeja: Ah, you're faster than my refreshes
[12:27pm] peeja: Yes, it'll only happen on the first appleevent, but that includes opening urls from other apps
[12:28pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: still nothing 
[12:28pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: anyway
[12:29pm] peeja: If someone feels like volunteering for the second r on the Bookmarks patch, I'd be much obliged
[12:29pm] smorgan: Jeff is in Europe, and apparently couldn't find wireless access today
[12:29pm] smorgan: But he says the titles are coming soon
[12:29pm] smorgan: Click handling is ready, but blocked on pink
[12:30pm] peeja: cheers
[12:30pm] smorgan: if someone wants to r? the click-handling, I can convert to sr
[12:30pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: and the main stuff has landed on trunk, correct?
[12:30pm] smorgan: The drawing stuff is on trunk, yes
[12:30pm] ardissone|nobugzilla:
[12:31pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: speaking of reviewing, hwaara said two weeks ago he can do some reviewing, so if you have a patch he might like, you can try him
[12:31pm] smorgan: Oh, also speaking of reviewing:
[12:32pm] smorgan: I made a review request rss feed along the lines of my bonsai scraper
[12:32pm] smorgan:
[12:32pm] smorgan: Feel free to use it if you find it helpful
[12:32pm] smorgan: I did it to try to help bypass pink's bugmail 
[12:32pm] ardissone|nobugzilla:
[12:33pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: tinderboxen still seem to be having build-end issues, but they're not yellow anymore
[12:34pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: mostly
[12:34pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: anything else before we go to bugs?
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[12:36pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: bug 389683
[12:36pm] thebot: ardissone|nobugzilla: Bug blo, --, ---,, ASSI, System slowdown following overactive windowserver, when Camino running
[12:36pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: ss: this is mostly for you; can we lean on 1.9 drivers to get that approved?
[12:37pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: doesn't expect a reply for 6 hrs 
[12:37pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: anyone had any brilliant thoughts on bug 376930?
[12:37pm] thebot: ardissone|nobugzilla: Bug nor, --, Camino1.6,, UNCO, Overflow tab menu covers whole upper right part of my screen
[12:38pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: I've found that I've mostly given up on the menu being usable and now cmd-opt-arrow through dozens of tabs to find the one I want 
[12:39pm] smorgan: We could try pulldown for a while and see if it's any better
[12:40pm] smorgan: I guess
[12:41pm] thebot: SeaMonkey: 'Linux cb-sea-linux-tbox Depend release' has changed state from Success to Burning.
[12:41pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: heh
[12:42pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: it may be that the only people it bothers are the however-many of us cc'd
[12:42pm] thebot: Firefox: 'WINNT 5.1 qm-winxp01 dep unit test' has changed state from Burning to Success.
[12:42pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: Bug 343499
[12:42pm] thebot: Firefox: 'MacOSX Darwin 8.8.4 bm-xserve08 Depend Universal Nightly' has changed state from Burning to Success.
[12:42pm] thebot: ardissone|nobugzilla: Bug maj, --, ---,, NEW, Flip4Mac (F4M) 2.1 renders pages incorrectly and causes text to be offset
[12:43pm] You kicked thebot from the chat room. (be quiet)
[12:43pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: cl wants to resolve this invalid
[12:44pm] smorgan: The only real reason not to is searchability
[12:44pm] smorgan: People looking for dupes won't find it (although they don't seem to be anyway, since it's non-obvious), and it'll be harder for me to find to dup to
[12:45pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: we could give it an alias to cover the last part 
[12:45pm] smorgan: In general, we've kept popularly-duped bugs open as sink holes
[12:45pm] smorgan: We have several OS bugs like that
[12:45pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: yes
[12:45pm] smorgan: I don't really see any reason to treat this differently
[12:45pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: the dragging doubled
[12:46pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: i don't either
[12:46pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: i was just airing the proposal cl added to the agenda 
[12:47pm] smorgan: Quick poll: anyone here read more than nine languages?
[12:47pm] peeja: nope
[12:47pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: nope
[12:47pm] smorgan: okay, I'll make that change to accep-lang then 
[12:47pm] peeja: I have to go; I'll read scrollback, though
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[12:48pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: wonders what bug
[12:48pm] smorgan: Oh, at 14 languages the q-value of the second and third language are both0.9
[12:48pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: wonders if he'll ever be able to access bugzilla again 
[12:48pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: ah
[12:48pm] smorgan: And if the first lang is skipped because it's a dialect...
[12:49pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: bad things happen™
[12:49pm] smorgan: So I think rather than manually assigning multi-digit q-values, we just crop the language list
[12:49pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: yeah, sounds good
[12:49pm] smorgan: And it makes the headers smaller, to offset the internet-cruishing burden of our longer UA
[12:49pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: if people need more than 9, they can use the override pref
[12:50pm] smorgan: Yep
[12:50pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: hehe
[12:50pm] smorgan: (interesting tidbit: q-values used to be assigned with full 3-digit precision, but was changed to 1 digit to save 8 bytes in the header)
[12:50pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: heh
[12:50pm] smorgan: Ensuring a correct ordering with >10 languages never even appears to have been discussed
[12:51pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: no megapolyglots on the spec team
[12:52pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: that's all i have; i can't see the queue to harangue people about it, but i bet it's still full-ish 
[12:52pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: anyone else have anything?
[12:55pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: ok then
[12:55pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: have a good week and mind your Ps and Qs
[12:55pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: (patches and queues)
[12:57pm] ardissone|nobugzilla: also reminds peeja|away to blog more