Status Meetings:2008-01-09:Log
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[02:10am] You were promoted to operator by chanserv. [02:10am] You changed the topic to "http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2008-01-09:Agenda". [11:19am] AmpCoder|Class is now known as AmpCoder. [11:26am] cl joined the chat room. [11:44am] murph joined the chat room. [11:49am] jeff joined the chat room. [11:57am] cl: brb [12:00pm] cl was promoted to operator by you. [12:00pm] jeff was promoted to operator by you. [12:00pm] murph was promoted to operator by you. [12:00pm] cl left the chat room. (Ping timeout) [12:00pm] cl joined the chat room. [12:00pm] cl was promoted to operator by you. [12:00pm] cl: and...back. [12:00pm] cl: ty [12:00pm] mento joined the chat room. [12:00pm] mento was promoted to operator by chanserv. [12:01pm] cl: opens the agenda [12:01pm] peeja joined the chat room. [12:01pm] smorgan joined the chat room. [12:01pm] peeja was promoted to operator by you. [12:01pm] smorgan was promoted to operator by you. [12:01pm] smorgan: oh hey, it's wednesday [12:01pm] cl: heh [12:01pm] ardissone: are we expecting pink? [12:01pm] cl: he's on AIM [12:01pm] ardissone: yeah, i had that same thought about 1:30 am today [12:01pm] smorgan: and in #camino... [12:02pm] kreeger joined the chat room. [12:02pm] ardissone: oops, i missed him there [12:02pm] kreeger was promoted to operator by you. [12:02pm] pinkerton joined the chat room. [12:02pm] pinkerton was promoted to operator by chanserv. [12:02pm] You are now known as ardissone|foraging. [12:02pm] ardissone|foraging: looks like the gang's all here [12:02pm] kreeger left the chat room. (Quit: kreeger) [12:03pm] cl: excellent. [12:03pm] cl: ...and there went kreeger. [12:03pm] ardissone|foraging: everyone please open your caminos (hopefully a1 or newer) to http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2008-01-09:Agenda [12:03pm] pinkerton: i need food [12:03pm] kreeger joined the chat room. [12:03pm] kreeger was promoted to operator by you. [12:04pm] ardissone|foraging: DCCs pink some lunch [12:04pm] pinkerton: chimichanga time [12:04pm] cl: pats murph on the back for the latest search patches [12:04pm] ardissone|foraging: shall we get started while you wrangle some chimichangas? [12:05pm] kreeger left the chat room. (Quit: kreeger) [12:05pm] murph: thanks cl [12:05pm] ardissone|foraging: i'll get those in today [12:06pm] cl: ah, the sweet smell of progress [12:06pm] ardissone|foraging: nothing really new to report about a1 [12:07pm] ardissone|foraging: not many people seem to be using it [12:07pm] ardissone|foraging: i guess we can ask about bouncer numbers to confirm that [12:07pm] ardissone|foraging: anyway [12:07pm] ardissone|foraging: b1 [12:07pm] ardissone|foraging: plan is to release it mid-next week [12:07pm] ardissone|foraging: when do we want to freeze? [12:07pm] cl: are we still planning strings freeze for b1, or are we for sure going to do a b2? [12:08pm] ardissone|foraging: b2 is for-sure [12:08pm] ardissone|foraging: feature/string freeze is b2 [12:08pm] mento: my mom uses a1 [12:08pm] mento: or actually a1+ [12:08pm] ardissone|foraging: [12:08pm] ardissone|foraging: whatever build has her fix [12:09pm] mento: the first official nightly after her fix went in [12:09pm] ardissone|foraging: and she hasn't reported more bugs yet, so that's good [12:09pm] mento: b1 for next week, hopefully with batwood's multiple-login patch [12:09pm] mento: heh [12:09pm] ardissone|foraging: yeah, that's the only thing we'll consider holding it for, i think [12:10pm] ardissone|foraging: unless someone gets close to the js triggers for search [12:10pm] smorgan: I'm trying [12:10pm] ardissone|foraging: cool [12:10pm] smorgan: I wrote something that I thought would work last night [12:10pm] smorgan: but the function isn't JS-accessible, and I don't know why [12:10pm] ardissone|foraging: heh [12:10pm] smorgan: So I can't really predict how that will turn out [12:11pm] ardissone|foraging: go-go-gadget Gecko [12:11pm] smorgan: although I have one idea that may have been a stupid mistake on my part [12:11pm] smorgan: if that's it, we should be set [12:11pm] pinkerton: smorgan: did you find anything about tvl's delays at startup? [12:12pm] smorgan: It shouldn't be Sparkle, as that work is all on another thread [12:12pm] pinkerton: odd [12:12pm] smorgan: he's supposed to try to grab a sample [12:12pm] pinkerton: k [12:12pm] ardissone|foraging: (though we did see a Ts regression with the sparkle landing) [12:12pm] ardissone|foraging: on boxset [12:13pm] smorgan: yeah, there could be something I'm not seeing in the code [12:14pm] ardissone|foraging: ok, anything else on b1 specifically? [12:15pm] ardissone|foraging: 1.6 in general: [12:15pm] ardissone|foraging: there are 2-3 AppleScript bugs we'd like peeja to fix for 1.6 [12:16pm] peeja: I've got a building tree now [12:16pm] peeja: so that's forthcoming [12:16pm] peeja: in a near-ish way [12:16pm] ardissone|foraging: [12:16pm] jeff: I've fixed some bugs from my last DnD patch, so a new one will be coming tonight [12:17pm] ardissone|foraging: [12:17pm] ardissone|foraging: we've mostly covered swupdate [12:18pm] ardissone|foraging: the multiple accounts per site keychain patch is in mento's sr queue [12:18pm] mento: yes [12:18pm] mento: i will sr it [12:18pm] mento: (or sr- it, whatever...) [12:18pm] ardissone|foraging: given the 15 rounds with smorgan, hopefully sr+ [12:18pm] mento: i'm optimistic [12:19pm] ardissone|foraging: [12:19pm] mento: brian had some questions about rollup, so we'll try to figure something out for that too [12:20pm] ardissone|foraging: as mentioned in the pre-meeting chatter, we've got two patches from murph (editor, opensearch) ready to go in today [12:21pm] ardissone|foraging: murph: what do you think is the likelihood of the fixed key loop? [12:21pm] ardissone|foraging: for b2 (another 3 weeks? after b1) [12:23pm] ardissone|foraging: er, we'll get back to that, then [12:23pm] ardissone|foraging: i've got the AS feed handler stuff mostly sitting in queues [12:24pm] ardissone|foraging: i don't know if it's a priority for us or not [12:25pm] ardissone|foraging: the makefile part doesn't quite work, which is the big issue [12:25pm] ardissone|foraging: or, at least i hope the big issue [12:25pm] ardissone|foraging: ss: where are we with the tabs/bm bar refresh? [12:26pm] ardissone|foraging: i know he's contacted at least one person about touching up the toolbar icons to make them more distinct on 10.5 [12:26pm] ardissone|foraging: i think i linked an article explaining the tweaks last week [12:27pm] ardissone|foraging: breakpad? [12:28pm] smorgan: Is the reporter ready to be copied yet? [12:28pm] ardissone|foraging: it's in mento's r queue [12:28pm] smorgan: I had held off once you cc'd me on the big rewrite [12:29pm] mento: it's in my r queue, correct [12:29pm] ardissone|foraging: yeah, ted posted new stuff last night addressing just about everything [12:30pm] ardissone|foraging: i haven't played with the new version yet tho [12:30pm] ardissone|foraging: anything else specifically about 1.6? [12:31pm] AmpCoder is now known as AmpCoder|Class. [12:32pm] ardissone|foraging: ok [12:32pm] ardissone|foraging: nothing new on the 1.5.x front [12:32pm] ardissone|foraging: the top crashes just switch places [12:32pm] cl: heh [12:33pm] ardissone|foraging: 1.8.1.12 is due on 5 Feb [12:33pm] ardissone|foraging: so we'll take out three of the top sigs [12:33pm] ardissone|foraging: tinderboxen: [12:34pm] ardissone|foraging: waiting for new news on mini-binus and mini-mayaTrunk [12:34pm] ardissone|foraging: i think last week mento told us "expect movement soon" or something [12:35pm] mento: soon [12:35pm] ardissone|foraging: when there are no unfixed bugs left [12:35pm] mento: dammit [12:35pm] ardissone|foraging: [12:35pm] mento: grep -ri dhass mozilla/camino [12:36pm] mento: that wouldn't work anyway, i'd need to correct my spelling, but whatever [12:36pm] ardissone|foraging: ? [12:36pm] mento: should be haasd [12:37pm] ardissone|foraging: yes [12:37pm] murph: ardissone|foraging: sorry, I stepped out for a sec… there's a good chance I can finish a solution for the key view loop in 3 weeks time [12:37pm] ardissone|foraging: josh + an h [12:37pm] ardissone|foraging: murph: [12:38pm] AmpCoder|Class left the chat room. (Ping timeout) [12:38pm] ardissone|foraging: the date for b2 is foggy atm; it mostly depends on jeff and some of the UI work [12:38pm] ardissone|foraging: er, and [12:39pm] ardissone|foraging: as of last night, we'd fixed 32 bugs since last meeting [12:39pm] ardissone|foraging: everyone give a big pat on the back [12:39pm] mento: hot [12:39pm] ardissone|foraging: the r queue is mostly full of hot new patches [12:39pm] ardissone|foraging: instead of older ones [12:40pm] ardissone|foraging: i do want to harp a bit on the "i have a wip/working code-but-never-attached-patches" bugs [12:41pm] ardissone|foraging: we've been hitting these a bit lately when someone new comes and wants to finish [12:41pm] pinkerton: kewl! [12:41pm] ardissone|foraging: but there's no work available to finish because the person is gone or it's lost [12:42pm] cl: ardissone|foraging: did you have specific bugs in mind? Other than the .mac sync, I mean [12:42pm] ardissone|foraging: so we all need to make an effort to post WIP patches, even if they're not working right/not complete/etc. so that if something happens, there's still code [12:42pm] ardissone|foraging: any of Wevah's bugs [12:43pm] ardissone|foraging: there are others, too, but i can't place them specifically [12:43pm] cl: oh yeah, the menubar stuff Wevah was working on [12:43pm] cl: we need to keep pestering him for that code. [12:43pm] cl: although I thought he posted a patch for the lock icon in the menubar [12:43pm] ardissone|foraging: on the flip side, there are a number of bugs where we have old patches from the Chim days that people have resurrected [12:44pm] ardissone|foraging: because there were patches [12:44pm] mento: even if you don't plan on getting lost, putting a wip patch on a bug is good insurance against accidentally losing your tree or your hard drive or your computer [12:44pm] ardissone|foraging: right [12:44pm] pinkerton: or the proverbial bus [12:44pm] cl: ah yeah, he did post one there [12:44pm] cl: and he hasn't answered smokey's post as of 28 October, so I'm betting someone else should just take that and fix it. [12:44pm] mento: lunchtime. [12:45pm] cl: (bug 303085) [12:45pm] jeff: I did a little work with .mac syncing about a month ago [12:45pm] cl: post a WIP patch, for the love of god [12:45pm] ardissone|foraging: lol [12:45pm] cl: before you too get hit by a bus and disappear [12:45pm] pinkerton: ha [12:45pm] ardissone|foraging: making jeff what, the 4th person to wrok on that bug? [12:45pm] cl: I swear that bug is cursed. [12:45pm] ardissone|foraging: yeah [12:46pm] jeff: the .mac documentation contains a bunch of dead links [12:46pm] cl: Everyone who works on it goes MIA within six weeks of the announcement that they did work on it. [12:46pm] cl: sends the Secret Service to monitor jeff and make sure he doesn't go MIA [12:46pm] ardissone|foraging: well, we were going to revisit Bug 408593, but mento just lunched [12:47pm] ardissone|foraging: "Only check for the default browser once" [12:47pm] ardissone|foraging: maybe we can do it in channel this pm [12:48pm] ardissone|foraging: on bug 394651, my gut feeling is it'll have to be a trunk-only change [12:48pm] ardissone|foraging: (Set "Accept cookies only from sites I visit" as default ) [12:48pm] cl: when was markus going to be back from his vacation? [12:49pm] cl: We should just go ahead and get that in on trunk and if a branch solution comes along, great. [12:49pm] ardissone|foraging: i didn't realize he was on vacation [12:49pm] cl: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=175470#c13 [12:49pm] cl: I didn't either until I re-read that [12:49pm] ardissone|foraging: ew [12:49pm] ardissone|foraging: i just hit the "didn't paint" bug [12:50pm] ardissone|foraging: oh, hmm [12:50pm] ardissone|foraging: he's done the core patch since then, iirc [12:51pm] ardissone|foraging: anyway [12:51pm] ardissone|foraging: that's basically all i have [12:52pm] ardissone|foraging: we've got a few patches in Core we do hope to get fixed/approved for 1.6 (at least final) [12:52pm] cl left the chat room. (Ping timeout) [12:52pm] cl joined the chat room. [12:52pm] ardissone|foraging: anyone have anything else? [12:52pm] cl: erm, oops. [12:53pm] cl: sure, we could use a few more eyes on the prefpane docs [12:53pm] cl: mento's going to give it another look this afternoon [12:53pm] cl: the document is at http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Third-Party_prefPanes and the bug is bug 384800 [12:54pm] cl: jeff, murph, peeja, pinkerton, feel free to jump in with anything you think is useful [12:54pm] ampcoder joined the chat room. [12:54pm] cl: in fact, once we get this done, I'd like someone on the team to volunteer to test the instructions by writing a simple pref pane that toggles a pref or two [12:55pm] ardissone|foraging: or we can have ampcoder do it [12:55pm] cl: ooh, that too. [12:55pm] cl: [12:56pm] cl: someone who's new, but who knows a modicum of Obj-C. [12:57pm] ardissone|foraging: anything else from anyone? [12:58pm] cl: not that I can think of [12:59pm] ardissone|foraging: ok then [12:59pm] ardissone|foraging: everyone have a good week [12:59pm] smorgan left the chat room. [12:59pm] ardissone|foraging: and cl can stop looking like a spy now ;)