Status Meetings:2008-02-06:Log

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[12:03pm] ardissone|away: is pink coming back?
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[12:07pm] ardissone|away: ok
[12:07pm] ardissone|away: well
[12:07pm] ardissone|away: let's start
[12:07pm] ardissone|away: and hope for the miraculous appearance of others
[12:08pm] ardissone|away: everyone open your Camino 1.6b2 or newer to
[12:08pm] ardissone|away: so far, i've heard nothing of substance bad about b2
[12:09pm] ardissone|away: we only have 33 crashes (on ppc) so far
[12:09pm] ardissone|away: which seems good, if we have enough users
[12:09pm] cl: maybe everyone has switched to intel /cynic
[12:10pm] ardissone|away: we seem to be doing a pretty good job getting on bugs caused by our feature landings
[12:11pm] ardissone|away: we do still have "fix the find bar appearance" that's unloved
[12:11pm] smorgan: It's not such a big deal, which is probably why
[12:12pm] ardissone|away: yeah
[12:12pm] ardissone|away: anything that's been a "real" issue seems to be owned or addressed
[12:13pm] ardissone|away: peeja has patches on both of hte last two AS bugs we want for 1.6
[12:14pm] peeja: one of those has a dumb memory management error that I need to fix
[12:14pm] ardissone|away: one's in a sr queue, the other needs a new patch and can go in sr
[12:14pm] ardissone|away: thereafter
[12:15pm] ardissone|away: jeff has been poking the tab dragging code still, and it's been poking back
[12:15pm] cl: haha
[12:16pm] jeff: I've got splinters and a patch to follow up hopefully later today
[12:16pm] jeff: and murph I'll review your patch as well
[12:16pm] murph: ok, thanks jeff - i wasn't sure how your time was but figured i'd target you anyway 
[12:18pm] ardissone|away: murph's been doing some reviews and more opensearch follow-up
[12:18pm] murph: yes, i'll have the last follow up patch in today.
[12:19pm] ardissone|away:
[12:19pm] ardissone|away: is about ready to kill...something
[12:20pm] ardissone|away: tinderbxo, [perhaps
[12:20pm] ardissone|away: take 2 on landing the feedhandlers failed again last night 
[12:21pm] ardissone|away: any breakpad update from the client half of the team?
[12:21pm] smorgan: Sorry, I still haven't had a big enough block of time
[12:22pm] smorgan: This weekend looks very promising though
[12:22pm] ardissone|away:
[12:22pm] smorgan: I know I always say I'll do it "this weekend" but I should really have a lot more time 
[12:23pm] ardissone|away: well, the code to copy is even less buggy now
[12:24pm] ardissone|away: Cm 1.5.5
[12:24pm] ardissone|away: Gecko release is tomorrow, supposedly
[12:24pm] ardissone|away: aka "last i heard"
[12:24pm] ardissone|away: hopefully mento will have time this afternoon to spin us
[12:26pm] ardissone|away: grr
[12:26pm] ardissone|away: phone, soory 
[12:26pm] ardissone|away: discuss among yorselves Bug 376930 (UNCO) - Overflow tab menu covers whole upper right part of my screen
[12:27pm] ardissone|away: bleh
[12:27pm] ardissone|away: anyway
[12:28pm] ardissone|away: nothing new to report on tinderboxen or anything esle
[12:29pm] ardissone|away: has anyone heard anything in the way of feedback about  Bug 376930 ?
[12:30pm] smorgan: Nope
[12:30pm] ardissone|away: should we just go ahead and WONTFIX it?
[12:30pm] smorgan: Or at least push it off 1.6 until we have more feedback?
[12:31pm] ardissone|away: yeah, that's good, too
[12:31pm] smorgan: So this may be crazy, but I want to toss it out there... should we think about locking down 1.6 more or less now?
[12:32pm] ardissone|away: smorgan: i've seen a couple of (mild) cases of page tearing with spinners
[12:32pm] smorgan: Bleh. I'll pull those out this weekend for sure
[12:32pm] ardissone|away: someone (me?) file a bug on removing them
[12:33pm] ardissone|away: what do you mean by "locking down" ?
[12:33pm] smorgan: I mean, we just fix the few regressions we have, and ship it
[12:34pm] ardissone|away: so no tab dragging
[12:34pm] smorgan: And we push the things that are still out there to 2.0
[12:34pm] smorgan: And no breakpad, potentially
[12:34pm] smorgan: I'm worried that we are slowing down, and 1.6 could drag out for a while
[12:34pm] ardissone|away: yes
[12:34pm] smorgan: We have plenty of good stuff now
[12:34pm] ardissone|away: but jeff is working regularly on dragging and is very close
[12:35pm] ardissone|away: and i'd really like to see us get that in
[12:35pm] ardissone|away: i'm less concerned about breakpad
[12:35pm] smorgan: Me too, but we've been very close on a variety of things for a while
[12:35pm] ardissone|away: really-really-want, but would ship without
[12:35pm] smorgan: I'm worried that we are perpetually very close to something good
[12:35pm] smorgan: If we get 1.6 out now, we can get the very close things into 2.0 sooner
[12:36pm] ardissone|away: but we leave 1.6 a lesser browser for 10.3 users
[12:37pm] ardissone|away: and we hear about how we still don't have draggable tabs
[12:37pm] ardissone|away: when "every other browser does" 
[12:37pm] smorgan: We hear about that while we don't ship anyway
[12:37pm] smorgan: I'm really starting to be concerned about the schedule of 2.0
[12:38pm] smorgan: We can't decide right now, obviously, but I wanted to at least start discussing it
[12:39pm] ardissone|away: i'd like to give jeff another patch, at least
[12:40pm] smorgan: I just think we've fallen back into the same trap that always makes our releases go longer than we want
[12:40pm] smorgan: But we'll see how things go in the next week or two
[12:40pm] jeff: we could possibly ship tab dragging for a 1.6.1?
[12:40pm] jeff: I should have another patch up for review tonight
[12:41pm] ardissone|away: that would be unprecedented 
[12:41pm] jeff: depending on how that goes
[12:41pm] smorgan: We could do a simultaneous 1.7/2.0 if we really wanted to
[12:41pm] smorgan: But we can table this for now
[12:42pm] ardissone|away: we really don't have enough people for any of the serious discussions today
[12:42pm] ardissone|away: so
[12:42pm] ardissone|away: does anyone have anything else?
[12:48pm] ardissone|away: ok then
[12:48pm] ardissone|away: everyone have a good week, and work hard on regressions/follow-ups 
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