Status Meetings:2008-08-13:Log
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[12:02pm] ardissone: ok [12:03pm] ardissone: everyone please open your camino to http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2008-08-13:Agenda [12:03pm] ardissone: 1.6.3 [12:04pm] ardissone: everything seemed to go OK; i haven't heard of any issues [12:05pm] ardissone: the 1passwd folks even eventually stopped by MU and VT to request all the 1P-related comment threads come to them with iusses [12:05pm] ardissone: sam did have to wack the server a couple of times, but it generally seemed OK [12:06pm] ardissone: i don't have any topcrash reports yet [12:06pm] ardissone: but just going through the raw reports [12:07pm] ardissone: we have the usual suspects, plus a fair number of comments about crashing on startup [12:07pm] ardissone: some have the 1passwd signature [12:08pm] ardissone: some are the same random ones from 1.6.1 [12:08pm] ardissone: 2 in -[MainController checkForProblemAddOns]() [12:09pm] ardissone: smorgan: does that mean there's a really problematic add-on? [12:09pm] smorgan: Well that's unexpected [12:10pm] cl: I'm glad it wasn't *expected*. [12:10pm] smorgan: I'm not sure what that means, but I wouldn't expect it to be because of an add-on necessarily [12:10pm] ardissone: ok [12:10pm] ardissone: because talkback sucks, i can't really search to see how often that's hit in the crashes that didn't have comments [12:11pm] ardissone: i'll keep an eye out when i do a more thorough pass from the topcrash report [12:13pm] ardissone: let me just remind everyone doing triage and support that we need to be diligent in asking if users have Input Managers installed up front [12:13pm] ardissone: (e.g., 1passwd, which people won't know is an IM) [12:13pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else about 1.6.3? [12:15pm] ardissone: nothing yet on 1.6.4; the next Gecko is supposed to ship 3 Sep (3wks) [12:15pm] ardissone: so we'll see [12:16pm] ardissone: On to 2.0 [12:16pm] ardissone: we'd like to ship by the end of the month [12:16pm] ardissone: i think we're now on-track to do so [12:16pm] ardissone: smorgan left us a present last night/this am [12:17pm] ardissone: murph: any updates from you? [12:18pm] murph: not too much this week, I just got back home last night as I was away during the past week [12:18pm] murph: but, I've already started readying the tab bar key loop patch [12:18pm] murph: and will revisit the phishing bugs as soon as that's in [12:19pm] ardissone: cool [12:19pm] cl: I should have a patch for 411165 later today [12:20pm] cl: and possibly 409679 too [12:20pm] cl: and maybe 313079 as well. [12:21pm] ardissone: someone needs to start reviewing cl patches [12:21pm] ardissone: jeff hasn't been around for a while, so no tab updates that i know of [12:22pm] ardissone: the main 2.0 agenda item today is the content zoom items [12:22pm] ardissone: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389795 / http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/User:Sardisson/Content_Zoom_Scratchpad [12:23pm] hendy: I have a patch that incorporates all the comments on the bug. [12:23pm] ardissone: s/items/item names/ [12:23pm] hendy: Just waiting for the names... [12:23pm] ardissone: smorgan: did you find anything in aperture or iphoto? [12:23pm] smorgan: Turns out iPhoto and Aperture don't have any Zoom In/Zoom Out items, surprisingly [12:23pm] smorgan: Aperture has "Zoom to Actual Size" though [12:23pm] ardissone: yeah, i looked in iPhoto and failed [12:23pm] smorgan: iPhoto has an unlabeled slider [12:23pm] ardissone: yeah [12:24pm] smorgan: I think "Zoom In" "Zoom Out" and "Actual Size" are clearest [12:24pm] smorgan: Lots of menu items aren't verbs, so that doesn't bother me [12:24pm] ardissone: they happen to match Preview, which is a plus [12:25pm] hendy: How about 'Enlarge Page' and 'Shrink Page'? Sort of a photocopier metaphor [12:27pm] smorgan: Dragging the window enlarges and shrinks a lot of pages [12:27pm] ardissone: "page" alone bothers me because page = window in lots of behavior [12:27pm] smorgan: I think the fact that we all refer to the feature as content zoom is telling [12:28pm] smorgan: If we all call it zoom, clearly that's what we think of it as [12:28pm] smorgan: So why not just call it that in the UI? [12:29pm] ardissone: i'm ok with that for the menu and the toolbar buttons [12:29pm] ardissone: since everything else i came up with was a bit unwieldy, and we have Preview [12:30pm] ardissone: smorgan: what were you thinking for the button tooltips? [12:30pm] smorgan: 2 works for me [12:31pm] ardissone: ok [12:31pm] hendy: Is someone working on proper toolbar buttons? The ones I made for my patch aren't release-worthy. [12:31pm] ardissone: hendy: we should file a follow-up bug [12:31pm] ardissone: we need one for tabsposé, too, that i know of [12:31pm] ardissone: (it's filed) [12:32pm] ardissone: they looked OK-for-nightly/alpha to me, but i didn't look closely [12:33pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on the content zoom bug or its item labels? [12:35pm] ardissone: ok, for the record, we'll go with zoom in/out for the toolbar buttons, Enlarge/shrink the content on this page for the tooltips, and zoom in/out and actual size for the menu [12:36pm] cl: that sounds good to me [12:36pm] hendy: i'll put a patch together [12:36pm] ardissone: thanks so much for working on this, hendy [12:37pm] ardissone: and for bearing with our slow movement this summer [12:37pm] hendy: no prob [12:37pm] cl: hehe [12:37pm] hendy: it's about the same speed as mine, don't worry [12:38pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on 2.0a1 or 2.0? [12:38pm] smorgan: I'll get to murph's review asap [12:38pm] ardissone: i'll look at yours tonight, i hope [12:39pm] murph: cool, thanks! I'll stay tuned :) [12:41pm] ardissone: plays broken record [12:42pm] ardissone: we did have some movement in the queues last week [12:42pm] ardissone: but the net result is that it looks like there was none [12:43pm] ardissone: so please check your queue and try to tackle some reviews this week [12:43pm] ardissone: everyone pretty much has one from cl :P [12:43pm] cl: and everyone is about to get another :P [12:44pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else? [12:46pm] ardissone: ok then [12:47pm] ardissone: everyone have a good week and watch those queues :)