Status Meetings:2008-12-17:Log

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[11:43am] cl2: just in case I don't make it into the other room by noon 
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[11:51am] cl2: did chanserv lose the aops for this channel too?
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[12:00pm] ardissone: bbr
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[12:06pm] ardissone: no big three at all yet 
[12:08pm] jeff: must be some secret Google meeting
[12:08pm] ss: I did a ping for pink
[12:09pm] ardissone: heh
[12:09pm] ardissone: he's the one i least expect to see 
[12:13pm] ardissone: well
[12:13pm] ardissone: what are your feelings about meetings the next two weeks?
[12:13pm] ardissone: Dec 24 and Dec 31
[12:14pm] ss: Definitely not
[12:14pm] ardissone: (or Christmas and New Years for hendy)
[12:15pm] ardissone: you just want to be excused from meetings until Feb 
[12:15pm] hendy: yeah, i don't think i'll be in any position to get up early those mornings
[12:15pm] ardissone: next meeting would be 7 jan 09
[12:18pm] cl2: it's highly unlikely I'll be around for either of those meetings even if we did have them
[12:18pm] cl2: and I suspect I'm one of the *most* likely ones to attend 
[12:19pm] ilya: is there something very special about wednesdays?
[12:19pm] ardissone: pink likes them
[12:20pm] murph: I too will miss out on the 24th one, 31st I can probably make...
[12:20pm] ardissone: pink teaches on mondays in the fall, so the monday meetings made too much chaos
[12:21pm] ardissone: i think the sentiment is pretty much against meeting, so unless one of the big 3 want to meet, let's consider them cancelled until further notice
[12:22pm] ss: Of if smfr comes in randomly and wants a meeting. 
[12:22pm] ardissone: right
[12:22pm] ardissone: anyway.let's start
[12:22pm] ardissone: everyone open up http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2008-12-17:Agenda
[12:23pm] ardissone: we've addressed meetings
[12:23pm] ardissone: nothing really new in Talkback on a1
[12:23pm] ardissone: more crashes!
[12:23pm] ardissone: more swizzling
[12:23pm] ardissone: two crashes in the appshell, which is not fun
[12:24pm] ardissone: anyway, looking forward to getting some new crash data
[12:24pm] ardissone: We released 1.6.6 yesterday, for anyone who was under a stack of books
[12:24pm] ardissone: 2 crashes already as of last night 
[12:25pm] ardissone: haven't really seen any other feedback on it yet
[12:25pm] ardissone: besides the guy who doesn't have a working flashblock somehow
[12:25pm] ardissone: 1.6.7
[12:26pm] ardissone: MoCo is officially done with 1.8.1, or that's what they're telling themselves
[12:26pm] cl2: do we have any idea *how* that bug in search is happening?
[12:26pm] ardissone: our spies indicate security fixes will probably still continue landing
[12:26pm] ss: MoCo has one more release for 1.8.1 (minus Thunderbird stuff)
[12:27pm] ss: Due to something that was missed for Firefox 2.0.0.19
[12:27pm] ss: That'll be this week or very early next.
[12:27pm] ardissone:
[12:27pm] ss: But it doesn't affect Mac
[12:27pm] ardissone: good, because i don't want to spin another build right now 
[12:28pm] ardissone: anyway, we can continue doing less-frequent releases (maybe one more) until we get 2.0 ready
[12:28pm] ardissone: and, as cl mentioned, we have this one bug that really breaks OpenSearch on 10.3.9
[12:28pm] ardissone: if the search string contains an &
[12:29pm] ardissone: like, say, wikipedia and youtube 
[12:29pm] ardissone: it looks like double-encoding to me, offhand
[12:29pm] murph: I'm going to take a look at that one today, definitely
[12:29pm] ardissone: but we'll need to wait for murph
[12:30pm] ardissone: that's the only thing specific on our 1.6.x radar
[12:30pm] cl2: murph: excellent, thanks
[12:30pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else 1.6.x?
[12:30pm] murph: oh sure thing, sorry it took me so long!
[12:31pm] jeff: where is my fade review!
[12:32pm] ardissone: haha
[12:32pm] ardissone: so, 2.0
[12:32pm] murph: also today! 
[12:32pm] ardissone: i updated the scoping doc last night while i waited on talkback to load
[12:32pm] ilya: actually, bug 458205 landed
[12:32pm] ilya: I think
[12:33pm] ilya: this is for bug 458205
[12:33pm] ardissone: ?
[12:34pm] ilya: could've sworn someone mentioned bug 458205
[12:34pm] ardissone: ilya: that's the meta
[12:34pm] ilya: yeah
[12:34pm] ilya: I guess I was just reading ahead in the agenda 
[12:35pm] ardissone: if you look at http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Planning:Camino_2.0
[12:35pm] ardissone: you'll see we've made some ogood progress on our original goals
[12:35pm] ardissone: well, not Tabsposé
[12:35pm] ardissone: and not Gecko
[12:35pm] jeff: hides
[12:35pm] ardissone: anyway
[12:36pm] ardissone: tabsposé still has lots of outstanding bugs
[12:36pm] ardissone: we need to fix the focus loss on closing
[12:36pm] jeff: le sigh
[12:37pm] ardissone: probably keyboard access
[12:37pm] ardissone: and make it prettier
[12:37pm] jeff: I started moving it to a NSControl
[12:37pm] ardissone: k
[12:37pm] jeff: look for it soon
[12:37pm] ardissone: jeff also has a pretty patch in murph's queue
[12:37pm] jeff: small patch
[12:37pm] jeff: looks at murph with distain
[12:38pm] ardissone: looks at jeff with disdain 
[12:38pm] murph: yeah, now I'm hiding...
[12:38pm] murph: lot of disdain in one meeting!
[12:38pm] ardissone: murph: you've alos been poking drag-scrolling?
[12:38pm] murph: ardissone: yeah I do have some ideas and a little bit of progress there
[12:39pm] ardissone:
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[12:39pm] ardissone: hendy: besides doing everyone's reviews and visiting the farm, anything new from you?
[12:40pm] hendy: i'm still working on utf-8 stuff; hope to get a patch out this week
[12:40pm] ardissone: cool 
[12:41pm] ardissone: ilya: how are Growl/downloads stuff going?
[12:41pm] ardissone: we landed bouncing last week
[12:41pm] ardissone: ilya's first patch 
[12:42pm] ilya: Growl stuff is peachy-keen on my end
[12:42pm] ilya: waiting on review
[12:42pm] ardissone: which is in stuart's queue, right?
[12:43pm] ilya: not sure how much coding I'll be doing in the near future -- I'm down one dev machine and one large screen
[12:44pm] ardissone: heh
[12:44pm] cl2: what happened?
[12:44pm] ardissone: "that college life is tough"
[12:45pm] ilya: something (either the fan or drive) is clicking, so I sent it to Apple to look into
[12:45pm] ilya: and the screen just didn't fly home with me 
[12:45pm] cl2: ouch
[12:46pm] ardissone: hehe
[12:46pm] ardissone: ok
[12:46pm] ardissone: cl2: and you?
[12:47pm] cl2: what about me?
[12:47pm] cl2: I got nothin' 
[12:47pm] ardissone: what have you done lately? 
[12:47pm] jeff: wonders if cl plays XPlane for iPhone
[12:48pm] ardissone: in other news, the Flashblock whitelist landed
[12:48pm] cl2: does not have an iPhone
[12:48pm] cl2: so, no.
[12:48pm] ardissone: so go thank batwood next time you see him
[12:48pm] hendy: that whitelist is sweet
[12:49pm] cl2: I updated some stuff that's now awaiting sr
[12:49pm] cl2: thanks to hendy for the super-fast reviews
[12:49pm] ardissone: as opposed to fast super-reviews 
[12:49pm] ardissone: which rarely exist, either 
[12:49pm] cl2: the WebFeatures.* stuff should be quick once smorgan gets around to it
[12:50pm] cl2: and the downloads prefs stuff is in his queue too
[12:50pm] cl2: I might be able to do bug 469414 today or tomorrow
[12:50pm] ardissone: and of course when not caring for kittens and life and Google, smorgan is working on the breakpad client 
[12:51pm] ardissone: too
[12:51pm] ardissone: we also need to make a decision soon on the zoom icons
[12:51pm] ardissone: but we need stuart and pink
[12:51pm] cl2: are you and I in agreement on the wooden handles?
[12:51pm] ardissone: disliking them?
[12:52pm] cl2: I know phiw and I are in agreement that they're much better than the disappearing silver handles 
[12:52pm] hendy: i like 'em
[12:52pm] ardissone: the color seems wrong
[12:52pm] ardissone: silver doesn't work, i agree
[12:52pm] cl2: darker wood, maybe?
[12:53pm] ilya: where are they, again?
[12:53pm] ardissone: like a cherry?
[12:53pm] hendy: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=351855
[12:53pm] ardissone: bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=450542
[12:53pm] cl2: mm, that could work
[12:53pm] ardissone: hendy wins 
[12:53pm] hendy: lightning-fast Cmd-L
[12:53pm] cl2: haha
[12:54pm] ardissone: if you have some thoughts, leave them in the bug
[12:54pm] hendy: which side for the handle? every other magnifying glass has it on the right.
[12:54pm] ardissone: but let's try not to overwhelm it 
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[12:55pm] ardissone: yeah, i think i'm leaning that way, despite the Reveal icon
[12:56pm] ardissone: particularly as this can be visible in the same plane as the Search field
[12:57pm] cl2: I personally prefer the handle on the left.
[12:57pm] cl2: but maybe that's bias due to the layout of the screenshot previews
[12:57pm] cl2: if you put the icon further toward the right end of the toolbar, I think handle-right would be better
[12:57pm] cl2: can we make it flip depending on its position in the toolbar? 
[12:57pm] ardissone: no 
[12:58pm] ardissone: ok
[12:59pm] ardissone: Basically we're frozen for b1 now
[12:59pm] ardissone: all our blockers have landed
[12:59pm] ilya: I like the icons at the bottom, actually
[12:59pm] ilya: but I guess it's not as familiar a metaphor
[12:59pm] ardissone: i don't think it's as clear
[1:00pm] ardissone: i hope to do relnotes tonight
[1:00pm] ardissone: and then mento or i can spin end-of-week
[1:00pm] ardissone: and release Tuesday, as a pre-Christmas present 
[1:01pm] ardissone: and then we're off for b2 and feature/l10n freeze
[1:01pm] ilya: yay for b1 
[1:01pm] cl2: does this mean I don't need to remind you about relnotes?
[1:01pm] ardissone: no
[1:01pm] ardissone: my day could yet suck :(
[1:01pm] cl2: haha, OK
[1:02pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on 2.0x?
[1:04pm] ilya: Should I remove 458961 from 458205 [meta]?
[1:04pm] ardissone: let's let stuart do that
[1:04pm] ardissone: we might poke him about it, though
[1:04pm] ardissone: (that's the 10.4 topcrasher, in acase anyone's wondering)
[1:05pm] ardissone: we had a good week the last week, 15 bugs landing
[1:05pm] ardissone: the r queue is still really high :/
[1:06pm] ardissone: so we need to work on that
[1:06pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else?
[1:07pm] ardissone: ok
[1:08pm] ardissone: everyone have a good week, work on those patches and reviews, and enjoy the holidays
[1:08pm] ardissone: we'll see you back here again on 7 jan 2009