Status Meetings:2009-02-18:Log

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[12:08pm] ardissone|foraging: brb
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[12:15pm] ardissone|foraging: ok
[12:15pm] ardissone|foraging: everyone please open your Camino 2.0b1 or newer to
[12:16pm] ardissone|foraging: 2.0b1 hit the eight week mark this week
[12:17pm] ardissone|foraging: there's nothing much new to say about its crashes
[12:18pm] ardissone|foraging: two of them should be fixed
[12:18pm] pinkerton: what's the plan to roll a b2?
[12:18pm] ardissone|foraging: well
[12:18pm] ardissone|foraging: the only new thing we have is growl and some Gecko fixes
[12:19pm] pinkerton: at least it'll tell us if we've fixed the bugs we think we have, right?
[12:19pm] ardissone|foraging: we still have anti-phishing and breakpad outstanding
[12:19pm] pinkerton: unless the real blocker is breakpad
[12:19pm] pinkerton: k
[12:19pm] pinkerton: phooey
[12:19pm] ardissone|foraging: we can get some info out of Talkback
[12:19pm] ardissone|foraging: i'm OK with doing a b2/b3, i think
[12:20pm] ardissone|foraging: oh, i guess a bunch of the flash perf suck should be better, too
[12:20pm] pinkerton: can't hurt
[12:21pm] ardissone|foraging: the only thing we need to make sure is that Google won't start honoring our client request
[12:21pm] ardissone|foraging: because the UI is not really shipable
[12:21pm] ardissone|foraging: or i guess we can turn the prefs off for the beta
[12:21pm] smorgan: How far is it from shipable?
[12:22pm] ardissone|foraging: the buttons don't work right, we don't have the legalese, no prefs exposed
[12:22pm] pinkerton: i was playing with safari's UI today and it's pretty ick.
[12:22pm] ardissone|foraging: heh
[12:22pm] pinkerton: "are you SURE you want to go to this site?"
[12:22pm] pinkerton: "are you really really really SURE? I may just have to ask you again if you are"
[12:23pm] ardissone|foraging: thought ss liked Safari's UI
[12:23pm] pinkerton: "for real, are you SURE SURE SURE?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!@@@@!1111"
[12:23pm] pinkerton: it's an interstitial page PLUS a modal dialog
[12:23pm] smorgan: They should switch the number of negatives to make people really think
[12:23pm] pinkerton: jesus, i get it already
[12:23pm] ardissone|foraging: the other big thing is the blocker bar, but I think we could ship a beta without it
[12:24pm] ardissone|foraging: a non-l10n-freeze beta, that is
[12:24pm] ardissone|foraging: is follow-ups for a-p
[12:25pm] ss: I like the pretty colors.
[12:25pm] ss: I didn't like the UE part of it.
[12:25pm] ardissone|foraging: is where i've been scratching out some UI thoughts
[12:26pm] ardissone|foraging: murph: how is your Camino time looking?
[12:27pm] murph: ardissone|foraging: It's less than full time currently, but I can try to find some time to get things moving, especially making safe browsing shippable
[12:28pm] ardissone|foraging:
[12:28pm] ardissone|foraging: my thought is really that we should just disable it for a beta and ship a beta early next week
[12:29pm] ardissone|foraging: if we want to get a new beta out there
[12:29pm] ardissone|foraging: which I think we do
[12:29pm] ss: Okay
[12:29pm] ss: But how many betas are we going to have?
[12:29pm] ardissone|foraging: it's more like "beta 1.5" but oh well
[12:29pm] ss: If we keep doing that and don't have new stuff in them, we're never going to ship.
[12:30pm] ardissone|foraging: b3 for anti-phishing, breakpad, and l10n freeze
[12:30pm] ardissone|foraging: can we make progress on those in two months? 
[12:30pm] smorgan: How does slapping a label on a build we already have change our ship schedule?
[12:31pm] smorgan: The reason we are absurdly past our original ship plan isn't too many betas 
[12:31pm] ss: Sure
[12:31pm] ss: But it doesn't help.
[12:31pm] ardissone|foraging: it's the lack of !clone
[12:31pm] ss: Anyway
[12:32pm] ardissone|foraging: this will also keep us from trying to do a beta and 1.6.7 at the same time early next month 
[12:32pm] ardissone|foraging: can we land the other tabs fix?
[12:33pm] ardissone|foraging: (translation: can pink steal some sr time?)
[12:33pm] pinkerton: sure
[12:34pm] ardissone|foraging: that'll at least fix one more  silly bug users will see 
[12:34pm] ardissone|foraging: heh
[12:35pm] ardissone|foraging: if we keep not making patches for it, too, i might keep forgetting that Tabsposé is a feature of Camino 2 
[12:35pm] ardissone|foraging: jeff: how's NSControl?
[12:37pm] ardissone|foraging: murph: anything new to report from you in addition to before?
[12:38pm] murph: ardissone|foraging: Just submitted the patch to expose safe browsing in prefs... That's the beginning of me starting to really tackle the remaining follow-ups
[12:38pm] ardissone|foraging:
[12:38pm] You are now known as ardissone.
[12:39pm] ardissone: smorgan: any breakpad news, or just shaking trees all over Geckoland?
[12:40pm] jeff: "soon" for NSControl
[12:40pm] smorgan: Tree shaking took about 150% of my energy this week I'm afraid. I'll keep trying on breakpad.
[12:40pm] ardissone: hopes something good will come of some of the shaking though
[12:41pm] ardissone: jeff: :)
[12:42pm] ardissone: i've been sick and swamped, so i haven't even built with the patch to disable swizzling to see if that's causing our stuck button bugs
[12:42pm] ardissone: ss: download manager icons?
[12:43pm] ardissone: hendy: any news on utf-8 or flashblock whitelist CM?
[12:44pm] ardissone: cb-x1 had another kernel panic this weekend
[12:47pm] ardissone: ok then
[12:48pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on Camino 2.0b2 or Camino 2.0?
[12:51pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else in general?
[12:52pm] ardissone: ok then
[12:53pm] ardissone: everyone have a good week, and work on your 2.0b3 (née 2.0b2) patches and reviews ;)
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