Status Meetings:2009-02-25:Log

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[12:10pm] ardissone: murph++ 
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[12:11pm] ardissone: everyone please open in your Camino 2.0b2 RC1 
[12:12pm] ardissone: and we'll make that the first item today, even though sam is probably not here yet
[12:13pm] ardissone: per the discussion last week, we now have a 2.0b2 build
[12:13pm] ardissone: hopefully everyone's been using it the past couple of days and has found nothing wrong 
[12:14pm] ardissone: s/nothing wrong/nothing new, stop-ship, wrong/ 
[12:15pm] ardissone: firefox is set to do a release on Mar 4, which I think is next Wed
[12:15pm] ardissone: yes
[12:15pm] ardissone: so, we don't want to get swallowed by that
[12:16pm] ardissone: when do we want to release b2?
[12:17pm] smorgan: ship it!
[12:18pm] pinkerton: everyone else is shipping this week 
[12:18pm] ardissone: i don't know that i can be ready tomorrow
[12:18pm] smorgan: Monday?
[12:19pm] ardissone: k
[12:19pm] smorgan: Assuming everyone hasn't switch to OW 
[12:19pm] ardissone: that gives us two.5 days on firefox
[12:19pm] ardissone: nice browser, but not under development
[12:20pm] smorgan: Sadly, that's what people say about Camino too 
[12:20pm] smorgan: Being off by a couple of days seems good enough
[12:20pm] ardissone: we need a PR firm 
[12:20pm] ardissone: ok, and monday's definitely do-able
[12:21pm] ardissone: (friday propbably is, too)
[12:21pm] smorgan: Whichever looks good on the day in question then?
[12:21pm] ardissone: ok
[12:21pm] ardissone: i'll shoot for having the website ready for Friday
[12:22pm] ardissone: on to b1
[12:22pm] ardissone: nothing terribly new in the crashes
[12:22pm] ardissone: another swizzling+Address Book
[12:22pm] ardissone: looked unpleasant, though
[12:23pm] ardissone: don't think we see it a lot
[12:24pm] ardissone: nothing new on the 1.6.x fronts, either; i noted in my schedule update that 1.6.7 is coming mid-month
[12:24pm] ardissone: there's supposed to be an NSS upgrade this week on 1.8.1
[12:25pm] ardissone: so we will need to do some cursory examination after that, since Firefox QA will no longer be watching
[12:26pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on 2.0b2, 2.0b1, or 1.6.x?
[12:28pm] ardissone: ok
[12:28pm] ardissone: on to the 2.0 train
[12:29pm] ardissone: stuart's tree-shaking hasn't produced any ripe fruit yet
[12:30pm] ardissone: there has been some argument on the bug about swizzling+exceptions in our Cocoa windows
[12:30pm] ardissone: also on the swizzling front
[12:31pm] ardissone: cl|out seems to have determined last night that swizzling is causing all the "stuck button" bugs
[12:32pm] ardissone: smorgan has suggested some additional tests to run
[12:33pm] smorgan: As much as I despise that code, I'm actually surprised that it appears to be the cause
[12:33pm] smorgan: I'm curious to find out what specifically causes it
[12:34pm] ardissone: is there any hope of a fix?
[12:34pm] smorgan: Depends on how exactly it's happening
[12:34pm] ardissone: k
[12:34pm] ardissone: hopefully cl|out will have time to follow-up soon
[12:35pm] ardissone: anti-phishing
[12:35pm] ardissone: we turned off the prefs unconditionally before b2
[12:35pm] ardissone: and will turn them on again when the UI is in better shape
[12:36pm] ardissone: looks like murph has a treat for l10n today, though 
[12:37pm] murph: yep! Very happy to have found a solution 
[12:38pm] murph: As one of the next steps, I would really like to change the style of the blocked page overlay
[12:38pm] ardissone: how so?
[12:39pm] murph: hmmm, well maybe at least just tweaking things...
[12:39pm] murph: I at least want to move the buttons to the right hand side, to make it more Mac-dialog like
[12:39pm] murph: and I was thinking that the "why was this site blocked?" button might make more sense as a link instead, rather than a button
[12:40pm] murph: instead having the buttons "Get Me Out" and "Ignore"
[12:40pm] ardissone: i don't like "Get me out" in general
[12:41pm] murph: yeah, I know what you mean there...
[12:41pm] ardissone: it's on my UI hitlist
[12:41pm] ardissone:
[12:41pm] murph: Safari just offers a "close page" button
[12:41pm] ardissone: i don't really think we should make ignore a prominent button
[12:41pm] ardissone: but at any rate, i agree there are some changes needed
[12:42pm] ardissone: i'd like to see you get the blocker bar working first, though, personally
[12:42pm] murph: alright, I can definitely tackle that one next 
[12:42pm] ardissone: but we should file a bug for improvements to the overlay
[12:43pm] murph: to clarify, the blocker bar is displayed after clicking on "ignore warning" and moving into the unsafe page, right?
[12:43pm] ardissone: yeah
[12:43pm] ardissone: and persists while on that site
[12:44pm] murph: ok, I'll start working on that 
[12:44pm] smorgan: It should probably play Jaws music while it's showing
[12:44pm] ardissone: hehe
[12:45pm] ardissone: you also have a review for smorgan on the site icon 
[12:45pm] murph: oh that's right, I'll get to that one right away
[12:45pm] ardissone: anything else from you?
[12:46pm] ardissone: smorgan: any breakpad news, or other news?
[12:46pm] smorgan: I've been doing some digging in breakpad, but nothing to report yet
[12:47pm] ardissone: k
[12:47pm] murph: nothing else from me, I'll get to those two things!
[12:47pm] ardissone:
[12:47pm] ardissone: hendy: news on utf-8 or flashblock CM?
[12:47pm] hendy: well, i finally got back to doing some Camino coding yesterday
[12:47pm] ardissone: ...and then Flash attacked 
[12:48pm] hendy: yeah
[12:48pm] hendy: flashblock CM is nearly ready to attach to the bug
[12:48pm] ardissone:
[12:48pm] hendy: there are a few issues which i need others' advice about
[12:48pm] hendy: but i'll put up the patch and people can have at it then
[12:48pm] ardissone: sound great!
[12:49pm] hendy: utf-8 needs a bit more work
[12:49pm] hendy: mainly getting my head around pasteboard flavours
[12:49pm] hendy: but that should be ok
[12:49pm] ardissone: fun!
[12:50pm] ardissone: sounds good, though
[12:50pm] hendy: yeah, it was good to get back into it again
[12:50pm] ardissone:
[12:50pm] ardissone: ilya: you've escaped homework and have been poking downloads again?
[12:51pm] ilya: brief escape, yeah 
[12:52pm] ilya: still pretty busy though
[12:52pm] ardissone: k
[12:52pm] ardissone: !seen NSControl
[12:52pm] ardissone: er, jeff 
[12:53pm] ardissone: jeff: besides late night cursing of murph, anything else to tell us?
[12:53pm] murph: hehehe
[12:53pm] ilya: brb
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[12:54pm] ardissone: suspects jeff's not here
[12:54pm] ardissone: anyone else have anything on 2.0 in general?
[12:55pm] ardissone: i think the only other news we have is that boxset's stopped reporting to tinderbox yet again 
[12:55pm] ardissone: it seems to have corresponded with an internet outage at Sam's
[12:55pm] ardissone: but he says everything looks fine
[12:55pm] ardissone: so he's supposed to be talking to IT
[12:55pm] hendy: eric meyer is getting impatient
[12:56pm] ardissone: yeah ;) he's not seen the poor-man's whitelist, i guess
[12:57pm] ardissone: (in the meantime, continue monitoring perf via the at-a-glance page, )
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[12:58pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on anything?
[1:00pm] ardissone: ok then
[1:00pm] ardissone: let's try to keep going and finish off (and polish) our 2.0 goals/features
[1:00pm] ardissone: we've started to pick up some momentum again :D
[1:01pm] ardissone: ...and we can't keep keeping eric meyer waiting ;)
[1:01pm] ardissone: have a great week, everyone!