Status Meetings:2009-09-02:Log
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[12:11pm] ardissone|foraging: ok [12:11pm] ardissone|foraging: everyone please open http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2009-09-02:Agenda in your 2.0b3 or newer [12:11pm] pinkerton: grabs food [12:12pm] ardissone|foraging: after only 5 days in the wild, we have a new king of the crashers [12:12pm] ardissone|foraging: good ol' Java [12:13pm] ardissone|foraging: Flash crashes are down a good bit, which I hope means people are upgrading to the new Flash that fixed the CFReadStream or whatever crash [12:14pm] ardissone|foraging: there's another 10.6-only crash that's pretty common; it hits on startup reading fonts [12:14pm] ardissone|foraging: didn't seem to be a bug on it, so i filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=514114 [12:15pm] ardissone|foraging: also appears to only affect 1.9.0, so the likelihood of it getting fixed seems low [12:16pm] ardissone|foraging: lots and lots of one-off sigs this week [12:16pm] ardissone|foraging: i'm hoping they're not all new 10.6 crashes [12:17pm] ardissone|foraging: (or if they are, they're just unsymbolized versions of other crashes) [12:17pm] ardissone|foraging: anyone have anything else on b3? [12:18pm] ardissone|foraging: want to jump to 1.6.x first [12:18pm] ardissone|foraging: we released 1.6.9 a week ago today [12:18pm] ardissone|foraging: crash numbers are way down [12:19pm] ardissone|foraging: i don't know how to interpret that [12:19pm] pinkerton: i saw some people on feedback bitching about the 169 upgrade [12:19pm] ardissone|foraging: what didn't they like? [12:19pm] pinkerton: like crazy ranting stuff [12:19pm] ardissone|foraging: oh [12:19pm] smorgan: One was the complaining about not doing session-saving [12:19pm] smorgan: Which I have basically done and just need to test [12:20pm] smorgan: One was complaining about not doing binary patching [12:20pm] pinkerton: yeah [12:20pm] smorgan: I don't think there was anything actually related to 1.6.9 itself [12:20pm] ardissone|foraging: ok [12:20pm] pinkerton: ok, wasn't sure if something specific brought out the extra crazies in the upgrade process this time [12:21pm] ardissone|foraging: hehe [12:21pm] ardissone|foraging: on 1.6.9 the topcrashers are all the ususal suspects, just way down [12:21pm] pinkerton: someone else did say that unless we stopped changing their home page, they were going to sue us [12:21pm] ardissone|foraging: yeah, heard about that one, too [12:21pm] pinkerton: good times! [12:22pm] ardissone|foraging: and then some crazy core function at startup: nsString::RFindChar [12:22pm] ardissone|foraging: the other news is that per sam's insistence, we're going to disable java in 1.6.10 on 10.6 [12:22pm] ardissone|foraging: because we can't land a fixed JEP because it doesn't support 10.3 [12:23pm] ardissone|foraging: and 1.6 is destined to be 10.3-only very soon [12:23pm] ardissone|foraging: (and take special care not to re-enable it for pink in the upgrade process) [12:23pm] pinkerton: [12:23pm] kreeger left the chat room. (Quit: kreeger) [12:24pm] ardissone|foraging: anyone have anything else on 1.6.x? [12:24pm] smorgan: I'll do my best to get that written this week [12:25pm] ardissone|foraging: hopefully by the time it's done we'll have a tree for it to land on [12:25pm] ardissone|foraging: on to 2.0! [12:26pm] ardissone|foraging: math says we have 10 bugs to deal with for 2.0b4, as long as we don't add any more improvements to placate feedback [12:26pm] ardissone|foraging: (one being relnotes) [12:27pm] ardissone|foraging: the big things are zoom increment, the new upgrade session-saving [12:27pm] ardissone|foraging: can we aim to have everything done/dealt with by next meeting? [12:27pm] ardissone|foraging: or is everyone else travelling this weekend, too? [12:28pm] smorgan: Session saving will be, certainly (or it'll be cut) [12:28pm] murph: zoom increment can definitely make that deadline [12:29pm] ardissone|foraging: so let's say the freeze is Wed and code/review to that end [12:29pm] ardissone|foraging: murph: how is that coming? [12:30pm] murph: I should have no trouble with that, I first wanted to update the menu item disabling patch [12:30pm] murph: which is in now [12:30pm] ardissone|foraging: in for sr, right? [12:30pm] murph: yes [12:31pm] smorgan: I srd it [12:31pm] ardissone|foraging: [12:31pm] ardissone|foraging: and that's the last real safebrowsing bug, excecpt the disclaimer thing [12:32pm] ardissone|foraging: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=451875 [12:32pm] ardissone|foraging: can we figure out if we're fine? [12:32pm] smorgan: I'm not sure who we ask [12:33pm] ardissone|foraging: do we collectively think we've met the requirements? [12:33pm] ardissone|foraging: how picky has google been? [12:33pm] ardissone|foraging: e.g., safari shows nothing iirc [12:33pm] ardissone|foraging: the only mention is in the legalese you have to dig into the bundle for [12:34pm] ardissone|foraging: (iirc) [12:34pm] smorgan: My feeling is that if we explain the limitations everywhere we tell users about the feature, that's the intent [12:34pm] ardissone|foraging: but they may have a separate agreement [12:34pm] ardissone|foraging: ok, and we do that (aside from what may be in the relnotes) [12:34pm] ardissone|foraging: pinkerton: your thoughts? [12:35pm] pinkerton: where does firefox put it? [12:36pm] smorgan: (Also, I feel like the website and the prefs together are "conspicuous") [12:36pm] ardissone|foraging: i believe it's in their first-run bar that you don't have to view the content of, now that they're EULA-less [12:37pm] ardissone|foraging: (that is, they have a bar that comes up at first run with buttons to show you your "rights" but you don't have to show the page to close the bar) [12:37pm] ardissone|foraging: ss: ^^^ ? [12:37pm] You are now known as ardissone. [12:38pm] ss: We don't have to do that. [12:38pm] ss: Burying it in the EULA does no one any good (if such a EULA still existed). [12:38pm] ss: I think we're fine. [12:38pm] ardissone: ok [12:39pm] ardissone: we're all in agreement (pink)? [12:39pm] pinkerton: i'm ok [12:39pm] ardissone: OK [12:39pm] ardissone: i'll FIXED that bug [12:39pm] ardissone: smorgan: any news on the cocoa widget key blackhole? [12:40pm] ardissone: greatcaffiene was asking about delete last night [12:40pm] smorgan: I poked josh, but I don't know if he's actually looking at it again [12:40pm] ardissone: ok [12:41pm] ardissone: we believe bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461106 Focus lost after closing Tabsposé can be fixed w/o nib changes? [12:42pm] ardissone: i think that's the worst tabsposé bug (with the tab grid not being accessible #2) [12:42pm] smorgan: I would expect that to be a code-only change [12:42pm] ardissone: ok [12:43pm] ardissone: smorgan: breakpad URLs post-b4? [12:43pm] ardissone: or is that close enough to make b4? [12:43pm] smorgan: Hard to say; depends on how much time I end up having [12:43pm] smorgan: I'll try [12:44pm] ardissone: k [12:44pm] ardissone: hendy: basically the fonts tab is the only b4? thing left on your plate, right? [12:44pm] hendy: yeah [12:45pm] hendy: i'll work on it as soon as i get camino to build on 10.6 [12:45pm] ardissone: smorgan: no objections to taking the resizing stuff? [12:46pm] smorgan: Resizing on tab switch? [12:46pm] ardissone: yeah [12:46pm] smorgan: Sounds a bit weird, but I haven't played with it. If it's the best option, I guess not [12:46pm] ardissone: it's that or we leave Advanced in [12:47pm] ardissone: it is a bit weird at first, but i've gotten used to it already [12:47pm] smorgan: k [12:47pm] smorgan: It's not like people will be spending a lot of time there anyway [12:47pm] ardissone: ok [12:47pm] smorgan: So if it's slightly odd it's not a big deal [12:48pm] ardissone: ss: what about those downloads window icons? [12:48pm] ardissone: any time for that before you leave? [12:50pm] ardissone: i'll try to find some time for testing the last Gecko strings, but i'll be pretty tight through freeze [12:50pm] ardissone: no complaints yet on the new tabs on 10.4 [12:50pm] ardissone: but maybe everyone is still on b3 [12:50pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on b4? [12:51pm] ss: Not sure if I'll have time. [12:51pm] ardissone: k [12:52pm] ardissone: in case you haven't noticed, we lost cb-xserve01 [12:52pm] ardissone: it apparently freezes when it tries to do work [12:52pm] ardissone: IT is looking into it [12:53pm] ardissone: but for the moment, we're building 2.0b4pre nightlies only, and 2.1perf, on a 1.42 GHz G4 mini! [12:54pm] ardissone: august was a month for our boxen [12:54pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on anything? [12:56pm] pinkerton: not me [12:56pm] ardissone: :) [12:56pm] smorgan: No feature to drop on us? ;) [12:56pm] pinkerton: sorry :( [12:57pm] ardissone: ok then, everyone please have a good week and patch/review those 2.0b4 bugs so we can ship! [12:57pm] pinkerton left the chat room. [12:57pm] smorgan: Ship it! [12:57pm] hendy left the chat room. [12:57pm] smorgan left the chat room.