Status Meetings:2010-04-14:Log

Log from #camino-mtg starting 2010-04-14 15:27:40 -0400

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16:02	ardissone:	http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-04-14:Agenda
16:02	ardissone:	hendy's on the farm harvesting this week, so he may or may not appear today
16:03	ardissone:	likewise, no idea if cl is flying in or not
16:03	ardissone:	so we'll proceed with 2.0.2
16:04	ardissone:	last week was a lot crashier than ususal
16:04	ardissone:	some jumps in Flash and the sendEvent family of crashes
16:04	ardissone:	but everyone's % went down
16:05	ardissone:	so the long tail is also longer and crashier
16:05	ardissone:	:(
16:06	ardissone:	other than that, pretty much the usual crashes
16:06	ardissone:	the 10.6 CFQSortArray crash declined out of the top 10, so maybe 10.6.3 helped with that
16:06	ardissone:	(that was an appshell-related crash)
16:07	ardissone:	anyone have anything else on 2.0.2?
16:08	ardissone:	ok
16:08	ardissone:	nothing at all interesting on the 1.6.11 front
16:09	ardissone:	I guess talkback is shutting down soon
16:09	ardissone:	gavin talked to me about it in vague terms the other day
16:09	smorgan:	Will users see anything?
16:10	ardissone:	i have no clue it Talkback has a remote killswitch or not
16:10	ardissone:	*if
16:10	ardissone:	or if users will just continue to get "sending failed" like when the server is down
16:11	ardissone:	(socorro does, i know, but i don't think breakpad.fmwk implements support for that)
16:12	ardissone:	the big thing with 1.6.x is seeing how many 10.4/10.5/10.6 users are still on 1.6.10 or .11
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16:13	ardissone:	sam mentioned the other day he had retrieved some logs from the server
16:13	ardissone:	so i suppose he might be working on stats again
16:14	ardissone:	:P
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16:15	ardissone:	anything else on 1.6.x :P
16:15	ardissone:	ok
16:15	ardissone:	on to 2.0.3
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16:16	ardissone:	i finally landed the last fixed thing (no metad for menu spacers), which would have made life easier if it had landed before we had to merge around it both ways :P
16:17	ardissone:	hendy was working on the Flashblock whitelist validation thing; not sure if he's had time to write any actual code yet
16:18	ardissone:	as much as i'd like to have gotten the release out already
16:18	ardissone:	it's good we haven't, since there's another issue we've discovered
16:18	ardissone:	the new Importer can be in use after quit, which can prevent replacing the app
16:19	ardissone:	smorgan is going to investigate this week to see if we can't alleviate that somehow
16:19	smorgan:	I'm not sure if auto-update would be impacted though
16:20	smorgan:	Since I don't think it does a replace
16:20	smorgan:	But it could mess up removing the old copy, potentially
16:20	ardissone:	oh, true
16:20	smorgan:	Still, would be good to fix
16:20	ardissone:	mhm
16:21	ardissone:	and as long as we're holding for Flashblock before going on update hiatus, we may as well try :)
16:21	ardissone:	hopefully hendy will have some time to bang on that fix soon
16:22	ardissone:	anything else on 2.0.3?
16:22	ardissone:	On to 2.1 stuff, then
16:23	ardissone:	the last 2 of hendy's original 1.9.2 patches got sr+ with some minor things this AM (thanks pink!)
16:23	pinkerton:	:)
16:23	ardissone:	mstange and smorgan keep exchanging comments on the printing thing
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16:24	ardissone:	hendy also put up a patch for bug 548476
16:24	ardissone:	(magic autocomplete window)
16:24	ardissone:	it definitely fixes the autocomplete window appearing on its own on 1.9.2
16:26	ardissone:	even though it doesn't fix the "wrong url visited" thing I described in the bug, not showing the window magically is such an improvement behavior/annoyance-wise I think we should start that patch on review now
16:27	ardissone:	On other 1.9.2 things, our repo is up: http://hg.mozilla.org/camino/
16:27	ardissone:	1.9.2 build instructions are http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Building:Mozilla_1.9.2_Branch
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16:28	ardissone:	http://hg.mozilla.org/camino/pushloghtml is to bonsai as Windows is to Mac OS X :sigh: :P
16:28	Wevah:	just needs some css love
16:28	ardissone:	needs some functional love, too :P
16:28	Wevah:	one button mouse'd
16:29	ardissone:	MXR has support for the Camino repo now, but it's worse than pulling teeth to figure out what needs to be done/who has to be poked to get that support deployed :P :/
16:29	Wevah:	:/
16:29	ardissone:	bug is filed, though
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16:30	ardissone:	also in good news, cb-x4 came back, and picked up ~100ms in Ts switching to NIC2
16:30	ardissone:	NIC1 is apparently dead :(
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16:32	Wevah:	i don't think i know what NIC1 is
16:32	ardissone:	cb-x4 has 2 Ethernet cards
16:32	Wevah:	oh, right
16:32	ardissone:	IT calls them NIC1 and NIC2
16:33	ardissone:	(not to be confused with kreeger ;)
16:33	Wevah:	haha
16:33	Wevah:	gotcha
16:33	ardissone:	I had been thinking about turning 1.9.2 builds back on so we'd catch any compile failures
16:34	ardissone:	orange builds take ~35 minutes, though, before they die, over and over
16:34	ardissone:	compared to 8m cycle times for 2.0 and 2.1-1.9.0
16:35	ardissone:	dunno if it's worth it or not
16:37	ardissone:	i still haven't heard from mento about the orange, and i haven't yet had a chance to poke him to see if he actually got my mail
16:37	ardissone:	(orange = https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555885 )
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16:38	ardissone:	Generally speaking, we haven't been making a lot of progress on 2.1, either from CVS or Hg
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16:40	ardissone:	it feels like we're in extended limbo on autocomplete and places without dan and with hendy hacking everywhere else that a problem sprouts up
16:41	ardissone:	i don't really have a solution for that in the volunteer app world
16:41	ardissone:	especially one where !clone is not yet implemented
16:42	ardissone:	anyone have anything else on 2.1?
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16:44	ardissone:	OK
16:45	ardissone:	anyone have anything else about anything else today?
16:46	ardissone:	ok then
16:47	ardissone:	everyone please work on your 2.0.3/2.1 patches and reviews, and have a good week :)