Status Meetings:2010-06-02:Log

Log from #camino-mtg starting 2010-06-02 15:39:57 -0400

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16:07	pinkerton:	sorry, was running errands
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16:07	ardissone:	who else are we missing
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16:08	ardissone:	i think just people who aren't here
16:09	ardissone:	so, without further ado, http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-06-02:Agenda
16:09	ardissone:	2.0.3 finally went out a week ago today :)
16:10	ardissone:	we only have crash data for a single week vs the usual 2, but even based on that numbers seem down
16:10	ardissone:	also, the topcrashers are down within that, meaning more stuff on the long tail
16:11	ardissone:	after Flash, there's a gfx fonts crash
16:11	ardissone:	the sig seems familiar, but I can find no bugs about it
16:12	ardissone:	_nsnote_callback
16:12	ardissone:	which seems to be related to closing windows with a mouse
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16:13	ardissone:	although pKE is in there, too, so dunno
16:13	Wevah:	cheers
16:13	ardissone:	http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/1756c0d9-e9b3-4374-a7dd-972742100602 being an example
16:15	ardissone:	all the other new stuff below that is really the OS or a 3rd party
16:15	ardissone:	except for our good friend the KeychainBrowserListener
16:15	smorgan:	:(
16:16	smorgan:	I'll look at it again, but I'm not confident I'll find anything
16:16	smorgan:	\
16:16	ardissone:	ok
16:16	ardissone:	i try to stop thinking about it so that I'll still have hair left, but that's hard sometimes :(
16:17	ardissone:	also, new 1Password crash I've never seen before: http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/9dcaf4e9-4440-4752-9bbd-ee8682100527
16:17	ardissone:	not just them crashing us by messing around in our internals, but by doing something dumb themselves, I guess
16:18	smorgan:	Yep, looks like
16:19	ardissone:	Have we checked to see if the new versions (like this one) are getting warned about?
16:19	smorgan:	I haven't looked in a long time
16:19	ardissone:	ok
16:19	smorgan:	I stopped caring
16:19	ardissone:	heh
16:20	ardissone:	(they are still crashing us by messing around with the toolbar, too; but very low-grade crashes)
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16:20	ardissone:	absolutely none of the old docshell crashes, so hendy's fix has worked very well there :)
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16:21	hendy:	yay
16:21	ardissone:	so glad to get that shipped to our users :)
16:21	Wevah:	awesome
16:21	ardissone:	now that l10n is awake from the release, we're collection our breakpad l10ns to upstream, too
16:22	ardissone:	*ing
16:22	ardissone:	anyone have anything else on 2.0.3?
16:23	ardissone:	as for 1.6.x, we got a few weeks of stats from late April/early May
16:24	ardissone:	and then about 60% of the 1.6.x userbase was 10.4-and-up :(
16:25	smorgan:	Although some fraction of that is probably the screwed up query strings
16:25	ardissone:	yeah
16:25	ardissone:	we'll want to see how stats look post-2.0.3
16:26	ardissone:	but it's looking like we'll want to push new update offers to them
16:26	ardissone:	anything else on 1.6.x?
16:27	smorgan:	Just to be sure: we are serving each point update to all 10.4+ users, right?
16:27	smorgan:	We aren't accidentally screening them to just 2.0 users?
16:29	ardissone:	i believe everyone gets it
16:29	ardissone:	1.6.10 gets a prompt for er, 2.0.2
16:29	smorgan:	Okay, good
16:30	ardissone:	er, maybe the 2.0.2 is because i'm poiting at stage; let me check
16:30	ardissone:	yeah, my url is for update-check-test
16:31	ardissone:	so if i launched it normally, is should get .3
16:31	ardissone:	on to 2.0.4
16:33	ardissone:	hendy: anything new on flashblock urls yet?
16:33	hendy:	no, sorry. :(
16:33	ardissone:	ok
16:33	ardissone:	we are starting to collect some bugs for 2.0.4
16:33	ardissone:	the query string thing we've been talking about
16:33	ardissone:	for Sparkle
16:34	ardissone:	we have markus's printing fix for 10.6 (and, really, everywhere)
16:34	ardissone:	spotlight metadata sync issues
16:35	ardissone:	look for sometime in july, perhaps, for that release
16:35	ardissone:	anything else on 2.0.4?
16:36	ardissone:	On to 2.1, then!
16:37	ardissone:	since last week's meeting, we've started pushing 1.9.2-based builds as nightlies
16:37	ardissone:	smorgan fixed symbol generation this weekend, so we have the correct paths/links
16:38	ardissone:	about:mozilla picked up the 1.9.2 nightlies story, too :P
16:39	ardissone:	there's been some progress+confusion on the Core key events patch
16:40	ardissone:	josh is OK with it for 1.9.2, but it's unclear yet whether it'll go on trunk or we'll have to keep begging
16:40	ardissone:	i got reviews from josh today on a little hack to make the Cocoa print UI localizable on 1.9.2, so now that's in the long approvals hopper
16:41	ardissone:	smorgan and pink did a banner job clearing the sr queue the past few days
16:41	pinkerton:	:D
16:42	ardissone:	landed tons of stuff this weekend, and more to go when smorgan can land
16:42	ardissone:	:)
16:42	ardissone:	including the anti-JS-key-blackhole patch :)
16:43	ardissone:	on the down side, it looks like GTM is incompatible with the MPL, so we can't use GTMUILocalizer in our troublesome nibs :(
16:43	smorgan:	So what's left that would stop us from using 1.9.2?
16:43	smorgan:	Focus?
16:43	ardissone:	focus
16:44	ardissone:	and in terms of an alpha, focus, dan, and lying macro cleanup
16:44	smorgan:	I was thinking more of killing CVS
16:45	smorgan:	Having been doing landings again I am already tired of it again ;)
16:45	ardissone:	we could alpha with the focus bug, but it's a real PITA
16:45	ardissone:	hehe
16:45	smorgan:	Is it something we could work around if necessary?
16:45	smorgan:	I forget what the bug is excatly
16:46	ardissone:	opening anything in a new non-bg foo puts focus in lalaland
16:46	ardissone:	(bg foo is fine)
16:46	ardissone:	i tried to look and see where we do focus-on-new, but i couldn't find it
16:47	ardissone:	(which is not a big surprise ;) to me)
16:47	smorgan:	Sounds like the sort of thing that could probably be worked around if necessary. I'll try to look if it will let us kill CVS
16:47	ardissone:	ok
16:48	ardissone:	since dan should be back soon-ish and will presumably be able to wrap up the perf issues (fingers crossed) with autocomplete
16:48	ardissone:	and someone ought to be able to do the lying macros fix
16:49	ardissone:	shall we shoot for end-of-the-month for alpha 1?
16:50	smorgan:	I'm not sure we can make a real plan without asking Dan
16:51	ardissone:	well, how about as a fake plan?
16:51	ardissone:	"pending dan, we want to have the other things all ready by eoJun"
16:51	smorgan:	sure
16:53	ardissone:	we might still be waiting for branch approvals, but in theory we ought to be able to minibranch them if Firefox 3.6.4 is still waiting to ship :P
16:54	ardissone:	anyone have anything else on 2.1?
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16:56	ardissone:	also, as of a few weeks ago, we're reasonably close to being able to complete a build with 1.9.3
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16:56	ardissone:	(excepting striptease)
16:56	ardissone:	smorgan's nsIPref cleanup should help a lot
16:57	pinkerton:	yay
16:57	ardissone:	there's some packaging, as always
16:57	ardissone:	a bunch of warnings, and maybe a couple of other Core API changes
16:58	smorgan:	We should probably start filing bugs
16:58	ardissone:	philippe did a build; i have his log
16:58	smorgan:	Presumably a bunch of things could be fixed on the same branch
16:59	ardissone:	yeah
17:00	ardissone:	i've lost the url for the log, but I can put it up for reference, as well as start pulling some stuff out
17:01	ardissone:	anyway, we had a very productive week/weekend
17:01	ardissone:	so big thanks to pink and smorgan :)
17:02	ardissone:	anyone have anything else today?
17:02	pinkerton:	do we know if we got a bump in traffic from that referrer site?
17:02	smorgan:	Oh, let me chekc
17:02	ardissone:	haha
17:03	ss:	Heh
17:03	ss:	We may have.
17:03	ardissone:	SpamSieve caught pink and sam as spam on that
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17:04	smorgan:	12 people?
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17:04	ss:	Yeah, huh.
17:04	ss:	There was certainly a bump yesterday.
17:04	smorgan:	No, 13!
17:04	ss:	But I guess not from them.
17:04	pinkerton:	wow
17:04	pinkerton:	that many.
17:05	ardissone:	(a reminder to anyone filing bugs on 1.9.3-related stuff, that's "Trunk" if it's only 1.9.3, but "unspecified" if it could apply other places)
17:05	ardissone:	haha
17:05	smorgan:	And actually we already had 2-3 a day from them it looks like
17:05	ardissone:	spamming doesn't pay :P
17:05	ss:	13 ... is ... better ... than 0?
17:05	ardissone:	lol
17:06	ardissone:	ok, anything else?
17:07	ardissone:	then, good work this week everyone, and work on those 2.1/2.0.4 bugs and have a good week! :D