Status Meetings:2010-09-08:Log

Log from #camino-mtg starting 2010-09-08 15:24:13 -0400

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16:04	cl:	oh, heh, guess it's about that time
16:04	ardissone:	this is shaping up to be our biggest meeting in weeks :P
16:04	cl:	don't get your hopes up; I'm only halfway paying attention :-p
16:04	ardissone:	:P
16:04	ardissone:	http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-09-08:Agenda
16:05	ardissone:	on the 2.0.4 front, we're still just shy of two weeks, but crashes are holding lower than 2.0.3 recently
16:06	ardissone:	i attribute that mostly to us stopping Flash from crashing us coming out of Exposé :P
16:06	ardissone:	right now, crashes on cbo are in the top 5 in domains
16:06	ardissone:	which means startup crashes
16:07	ardissone:	mostly that 10.4 native theme bug
16:07	ardissone:	KeychainBrowserListener is the top single crash, with about 6% of all crashes
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16:08	smorgan:	"single" before de-duping Flash bugs, I assume?
16:08	ardissone:	right, single-signature
16:09	ardissone:	There's a Flash 10.0.4-something crash that's right behind
16:09	smorgan:	If our Flash notification works, we should be able to consolidate the Flash crashes :)
16:09	ardissone:	for good news on our crashes front, yeah
16:10	ardissone:	smorgan got Flash notification for updates working
16:10	ardissone:	we basically need to make some text decisions and for ss to review the js
16:10	ardissone:	and we can deploy it
16:10	smorgan:	Is the plan to do just /start/ ?
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16:11	ardissone:	/welcome/, but yes
16:11	ardissone:	though I think we should consider /start/ too
16:11	smorgan:	Right, welcome. I would vote for /start/
16:11	ardissone:	since some number of people do keep /start/ as their homepage
16:12	ardissone:	anyway, need to catch ss not at a bar or whatever ;)
16:12	smorgan:	I would speculate that people who never change their start page probably are more likely to need more prodding ;)
16:13	ardissone:	haha, yes
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16:13	ardissone:	whether they're capable of updating, however, is another question :(
16:13	ardissone:	the other good news is that there's a fix for our current #10 crash
16:14	smorgan:	Well, hopefully some will be driven to the forums to get help in making the bar go away
16:14	ardissone:	it's been lurking just below the top for a few releases now, but crash-stats never suggested it because the signature was quoted wrong in bugzilla
16:14	ardissone:	yes, indeed
16:15	ardissone:	{Bug 530939)
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16:16	ardissone:	hearing fewer crazy bugs now that we're a week out; maybe Mercury is out of retrograde?
16:16	ardissone:	anything else on 2.0.4?
16:17	ardissone:	on the "get thee off of 1.6" front, we're seeing a rise in both 1.6 and 2.0 as people come back from summer
16:19	ardissone:	so maybe later we can push some of them off of 1.6
16:19	cl:	mm, that reminds me, i should probably make sure my mom's Flash is up-to-date
16:19	cl:	she has /start/ as her home page :-p
16:19	ardissone:	haha
16:19	cl:	maybe i'll just let her be surprised :-p
16:19	smorgan:	live user test
16:20	ardissone:	"Chris, why is this yelling at me!"
16:20	ardissone:	:)
16:20	ardissone:	on 2.0.5
16:20	ardissone:	we had a good weekend
16:21	ardissone:	smorgan, with some help from bz, phiw, and me, figured out the old Google Calendar print bug
16:21	ardissone:	:D
16:22	ardissone:	smfr broke things in 2002, but we didn't notice until a few years ago :P
16:22	ardissone:	so that and the importer-in-use-fix-redux are in pink's sr queue
16:22	smorgan:	(Not long after it had been fixed in the first place :P )
16:22	ardissone:	heh
16:23	pinkerton:	yeah, sorry i haven't gotten to those
16:23	smorgan:	They are small
16:23	ardissone:	so are cpeterso's patches, iirc
16:23	pinkerton:	ok
16:23	pinkerton:	i'll do them soon
16:23	smorgan:	What's our plan for 2.0.5 schedule?
16:24	ardissone:	when we have some bugs, but not too soon after 2.0.4
16:25	smorgan:	Seems like getting the Flash notification in people's eyes is worth doing on the sooner side of the spectrum
16:25	ardissone:	agreed
16:25	ardissone:	but we need to not do update fatigue
16:26	ardissone:	(on users and l10n and me)
16:26	smorgan:	Right
16:26	smorgan:	2 weeks?
16:26	ardissone:	2-3, yeah
16:26	ardissone:	(also depending on where we are with a1)
16:27	ardissone:	also, i'd like to have *something* for the KeychainBrowserListener crash in
16:27	smorgan:	I'll look at that at least a bit before going back to autocomplete
16:27	ardissone:	even if it's just some logging that we can ask people for
16:28	ardissone:	because it's been getting worse
16:28	ardissone:	ok
16:29	ardissone:	hendy: if you'd like to look at that Flash exceptions list bug again, that's fine, but I'd prefer if you worked on 2.1 bugs over that ;)
16:29	hendy:	righto
16:29	ardissone:	maybe if you want to switch off as a break, or whatever ;)
16:30	hendy:	sounds like a plan
16:32	ardissone:	similarly, the metadata-file-deletion-duplication bug with the new spotlight importer is on the 2.0.x list, but it's not as pressing as KBL or any of smorgan's 2.1 stuff, though it appears to be a regression
16:32	ardissone:	anything else on 2.0.5?
16:33	ardissone:	on to 2.1
16:33	ardissone:	the "big" news is that we now have less-sucky certificate error pages :)
16:34	ardissone:	there's still a bit of room for language improvements in some of the strings, so if anyone does have ideas, do let us know
16:34	ardissone:	Chris Peterson is continuing to fix menu/validation bugs :)
16:35	ardissone:	cl: you have a patch in your queue about which I have no design objections ;)
16:35	ardissone:	smorgan: do you have any specific updates on the autocomplete stuff?
16:36	smorgan:	No, all I did the last week was the random little stuff
16:36	ardissone:	ok
16:37	ardissone:	i would like to try it out once you get to a spot where you can produce another patch that compiles on 10.5
16:37	ardissone:	;)
16:37	smorgan:	Oh, right. I can fix that ASAP
16:37	ardissone:	but so far the feedback from cl and phiw seems to have been positive
16:38	cl:	yeah, i'm gonna try to get to that review this weekened
16:38	cl:	maybe tonight or tomorrow
16:38	ardissone:	it should be pretty simple, too
16:39	ardissone:	i'd r+ it, except someone who knows whether those are the best places/best ways to disable those things is required ;)
16:40	ardissone:	hendy: you said last night between aftershocks you're going pick up UTF-8 stuff?
16:40	hendy:	i'll give it another go, yes.
16:40	ardissone:	ok
16:41	ardissone:	cl: can you look through the 2.1-target and 2.1? lists and see if there's anything interesting to you?
16:42	ardissone:	we maybe should add "remove 'use my colors'" to 2.1?, too
16:42	ardissone:	and murph was back this weekend with a new gestures patch
16:43	ardissone:	so hopefully we'll have at least back/forward again for a1
16:43	ardissone:	anyone have anything else on 2.1/2.1a1?
16:45	ardissone:	ok
16:46	ardissone:	we didn't actually land a bunch of stuff this last week, but it feels like we made some good progress :)
16:47	ardissone:	anyone have anything else about anything else today?
16:48	ardissone:	ok then; everyone work on those 2.1a1/2.0.5 bugs and reviews, and have a good week! :)