Status Meetings:2011-02-23:Log
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Log from #camino-mtg starting 2011-02-23 16:00:24 -0500
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16:00 | » sauron was promoted to operator by ChanServ. | |
16:00 | » ardissone was promoted to operator by ChanServ. | |
16:00 | » cl was promoted to operator by ardissone. | |
16:00 | » ardissone changed the topic to "http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2011-02-23:Agenda". | |
16:00 | ardissone: | brb |
16:04 | » pinkerton joined the chat room. | |
16:04 | pinkerton: | yo |
16:04 | ardissone: | moof! |
16:04 | ardissone: | good to see you again :) |
16:04 | » smorgan joined the chat room. | |
16:04 | » pinkerton was promoted to operator by ardissone. | |
16:05 | » smorgan was promoted to operator by ardissone. | |
16:05 | ardissone: | http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2011-02-23:Agenda |
16:06 | ardissone: | the good news: still very few 2.1a1 crashes |
16:06 | ardissone: | the not-so-good news: it doesn't have very many users, and the main crashes are things entirely outside our control :P |
16:07 | ardissone: | (not unusually-low, though) |
16:07 | smorgan: | We can solve the first problem... ship it! |
16:07 | ardissone: | haha |
16:07 | ardissone: | yes, that is controllable |
16:08 | ardissone: | is there potential for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=550392 to screw us up? |
16:09 | ardissone: | it has most of my favorite ingredients for a "screw Camino" fix :P |
16:09 | smorgan: | Looking... |
16:10 | smorgan: | Looks like it only owns Gecko objects |
16:11 | smorgan: | So that's a plus |
16:11 | ardissone: | :) |
16:11 | smorgan: | I can't swear that it won't screw us up somehow of course ;) |
16:11 | ardissone: | sure ;) |
16:11 | smorgan: | But it won't affect, e.g., CHBrowserView lifetime |
16:11 | ardissone: | "likelihood of screwing Camino: less than normal" ? |
16:12 | smorgan: | Exactly |
16:12 | ardissone: | ok |
16:12 | ardissone: | that makes me feel better |
16:12 | ardissone: | however, that bug we talked about last friday or on the weekend, makes me feel worse :P |
16:13 | ardissone: | (well, mostly for 2.0.x) |
16:13 | ardissone: | which we can segue into… |
16:13 | ardissone: | not much new in the crashes there |
16:14 | ardissone: | the 10.6 libobjc.A.dylib symbols issue is annoying |
16:14 | ardissone: | getting 22CD62D49E7DC31AF585FCEF1FE4C39A0 from ilya helped some, but not enough |
16:15 | ardissone: | some rotation/spikes on the lower end of the top 10 |
16:15 | ardissone: | _nsnote_callback (mostly related to closing windows with a mouse, but occasionally keyboard) |
16:15 | ardissone: | our old friend pthread_mutex_lock with Veetle/VLC and Comcast/Move-Media-Player |
16:16 | ardissone: | and CFBasicHashReplaceValue (which is the Sonix SN9C201 WebCam driver + Flash) |
16:16 | smorgan: | The NSNotification callback could be us |
16:16 | ardissone: | i thought there was a bug on the webcam crash before, but I couldn't find it |
16:17 | ardissone: | smorgan: should I file it, then? |
16:17 | smorgan: | Sure; I've also made a note to audit all our notification registration |
16:17 | ardissone: | ok |
16:17 | smorgan: | To see if we forgot to unregister somewhere |
16:17 | ardissone: | mm |
16:18 | ardissone: | ok, i'll file it |
16:19 | ardissone: | also |
16:19 | ardissone: | smorgan: is https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/d7fe25bb-2e2e-416d-8ef7-65c492110216 a null-check problem? |
16:20 | smorgan: | Looks like |
16:20 | ardissone: | of mGeckoChild, right? |
16:20 | smorgan: | Hard to tell what the source of the bug is ultimately though from glancing |
16:20 | smorgan: | Probably |
16:20 | smorgan: | It's possible there are elided frames under that call |
16:21 | smorgan: | But null-checking there would be a start. I don't remember when it can be null offhand |
16:21 | ardissone: | that bug still happens on 1.9.2 (to Firefox), so I'll file it |
16:21 | smorgan: | But I believe the general rule for ChildView is to check |
16:21 | ardissone: | yeah, i thought so |
16:21 | ardissone: | and the comments futher down are not encouraging :P |
16:22 | ardissone: | i doubt that josh or masayuki will care to look at it soon, since it's a more low-grade crash |
16:22 | ardissone: | but the lack of null-checking did stick out at me |
16:22 | smorgan: | Agreed, looks fishy |
16:23 | ardissone: | there were 11 new lastpass crashes this week, but no new emails |
16:24 | ardissone: | and i've already mentioned our "missing symbols for 10.6 libobjc" problem |
16:24 | ardissone: | still at least 4 versions of that dylib out there |
16:25 | ardissone: | on 2.0.7 |
16:25 | ardissone: | basically we have the one Camino bug left (stop the unsupported protocols infinite loop) |
16:26 | ardissone: | and a bunch of little Gecko things that need landing |
16:26 | ardissone: | and then that one scary problem I mentioned earlier, for which we probably want to hold 2.0.7 until a fix is apparent |
16:27 | ardissone: | given the current plan for 2.0.7 to be the last 2.0.x |
16:27 | ardissone: | and focus on 2.1 (which is also affected, but which has much better protection for said issue ;) ) |
16:28 | ardissone: | the good news is that, despite the frozen-over state of pink's sr queue ;) |
16:28 | ardissone: | we landed a bunch of stuff last week |
16:28 | pinkerton: | :D |
16:28 | ardissone: | :) |
16:28 | pinkerton: | sorry i've just been so swamped lately |
16:28 | ardissone: | understood |
16:29 | ardissone: | (and you haven't even been going to foggy bottom :P ) |
16:29 | ardissone: | bad DC joke :P |
16:29 | pinkerton: | the escalators totally broke last week and chunks fell out! |
16:29 | pinkerton: | thank god i wasn't there |
16:29 | ardissone: | yeah, i saw your tweet about that :O |
16:30 | ardissone: | the city's falling apart |
16:30 | ardissone: | stuart's much-improved autocomplete ranking landed :D |
16:30 | pinkerton: | yay! |
16:30 | ardissone: | it also feels a bit faster, in addition to giving me the right results |
16:31 | ardissone: | we have a few other bits of UI work to do on it yet |
16:31 | ardissone: | cpeterso has a patch to make hover work; dunno if it got bitrotted or not |
16:31 | ardissone: | and some of dan's old follow-ups |
16:32 | ardissone: | but i've now completely stopped cursing it |
16:32 | ardissone: | speaking of follow-ups, though |
16:32 | ardissone: | do we have any ideas about what to do about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506762 ? |
16:34 | ardissone: | (should we at least confirm it, even if we have no good ideas/it will miss 2.1?) |
16:34 | smorgan: | I haven't thought about it a while |
16:34 | smorgan: | Chrome doesn't do that, FWIW |
16:34 | ardissone: | do what? |
16:35 | ardissone: | show the URL when matching based on a title? |
16:35 | smorgan: | Maybe I'm confused about the bug |
16:36 | ardissone: | comment 0 is not especially clear ;) |
16:36 | smorgan: | Oh, you have to arrow down to it |
16:36 | smorgan: | Chrome does stomp in that case |
16:36 | smorgan: | Yeah, I guess confirm it |
16:36 | ardissone: | ok |
16:38 | ardissone: | so for b1 we have a few things outstanding |
16:39 | ardissone: | in terms of new features, i think just the rest of my chrome registration stuff, out for review |
16:39 | ardissone: | and for l10n, I believe just going through the Gecko strings |
16:40 | ardissone: | some regressions: still no pinch (and no word from murph), me breaking AppleScript tab-opening in the initial external protocol infiinte loop fix |
16:41 | ardissone: | i'm guessing we can look for early next month for b1? |
16:42 | smorgan: | I'm working on keeping my queue pretty clear |
16:42 | smorgan: | So it's mostly down to your time |
16:42 | smorgan: | I might try to look at pinch if it have time |
16:42 | smorgan: | s/it/I/ |
16:43 | ardissone: | which comes and goes; the weather's been warm, so more outside work :P |
16:44 | ardissone: | smorgan: did you want to take Bug 634705 - Don't use default system accept-language list for 2.1? |
16:45 | smorgan: | Sure, I'll try to come up with a heuristic (or just hard-code the list)\ |
16:45 | ardissone: | ok |
16:46 | » pinkerton left the chat room. | |
16:46 | ardissone: | not specifically for 2.1, but i keep running into it when I do one of my quick fixes: should we do Bug 619166 - Make all string control character sanitization handle invalid characters |
16:47 | smorgan: | I'd have to look at usage |
16:48 | ardissone: | ok |
16:49 | ardissone: | how is our Flash 10.2 adoption coming? still depressed? |
16:50 | smorgan: | 13% for all intel |
16:50 | smorgan: | (all intel Camino that is) |
16:50 | smorgan: | 10% for all 2.0.6 |
16:51 | ardissone: | ok |
16:52 | ardissone: | i don't remember what last week's numbers were; i think you must have given them in the other channel |
16:52 | smorgan: | Yeah, I think I did |
16:52 | ardissone: | you had to leave early, iirc |
16:52 | smorgan: | Hm, 2.0.6 was 12% last week |
16:53 | ardissone: | i thought all-intel was maybe 20? |
16:53 | smorgan: | And Camino 2 Intel was 14% |
16:53 | ardissone: | oh |
16:53 | smorgan: | So... that's weird |
16:53 | ardissone: | we're going down :O |
16:53 | ardissone: | yeah :( |
16:53 | smorgan: | Maybe people are discovering that 10.2 is... edgy |
16:53 | ardissone: | heh |
16:54 | ardissone: | it seems slightly less crashy than 10.1 had been, in our stats |
16:55 | ardissone: | anyway, that's all i have for today |
16:55 | ardissone: | smorgan: you have anything else? |
16:55 | ardissone: | (besides "ship it!" ;) ) |
16:55 | smorgan: | Nope |
16:55 | ardissone: | ok then |
16:56 | ardissone: | everyone please keep up the good work on those 2.1/b1 bugs and reviews, and have a good week :D |
16:56 | ardissone: | (we landed 16 bugs in the last week) |