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* Need to be more diligent about asking about IMs up-front: "I have problem x" "Do you have any input managers installed (e.g., 1Password)?" (We'll have to specifically mention 1Password, since people mostly don't know how it's implemented)
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Wed 06 Aug 9am PDT (17:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg
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==General Plans==
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* Camino 1.6.1
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** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM161/index.html Talkback] ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008051211&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=2000 all 1.6.1 crashes] — >1000 so far)
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*** #1 is Core crash-on-quit ({{bug|349463}})
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*** #2 is Flash
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*** #3 is [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=libSystem.B.dylib.88.1.11&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008051211&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid libSystem.B.dylib]
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<!--**** RealPlayer - {{bug|441736}} (bug also some Flash and Silverlight)
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**** random bits of Camino code: 47958724 initMozillaPrefs, 48061310 refreshStyleSheet, 47710819
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**** A number of reports mention installing or upgrading 1passwd
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**** Some reports mention startup (initMozillaPrefs, refreshStyleSheet among others)-->
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*** #4 is [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/talkback/fastfind.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=libobjc.A.dylib.227.0.0&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008051211&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid libobjc]
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<!--**** 46765023 -[KeychainService init]() on startup, 46195237; are these just corrupt keychains?  But see also 46195236 (CoreFoundation+1passwd from same user)
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**** 46228188 should-have-been-fixed Privacy crash on 10.3.9 (one only)-->
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*** #5 is [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/talkback/fastfind.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=Camino&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008051211&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid  Camino]
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**** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=2&type=iid&id=48319457 TB48319457x] +[NSWorkspace(CaminoDefaultBrowserAdditions) osVersionString]() - handful of these
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<!--*** #5 is [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/talkback/fastfind.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=CoreFoundation&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008051211&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid  CoreFoundation]
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**** 48001978 -[SiteIconCache readCacheFile]() at startup; this is fairly common
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**** Lots of crashes that contain the old tell-tale 1passwd signature
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**** Dozen or so CamiTools -->
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** Load was pretty heavy on the server, but things held up better.  We didn't use the dynamic feed generator since Sam was out of the office that week and couldn't be there to reboot.
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** Cleaning up stuff from the website; file bugs against Product Site if you see anything.
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** Need to be more diligent about asking about IMs up-front: "I have problem x" "Do you have any input managers installed (e.g., 1Password)?" (We'll have to specifically mention 1Password, since people mostly don't know how it's implemented)
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** Be very careful asking people to test trunk nightlies, since they do irreversible profile damage.
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* [[Releases:1.6.3:Links|Camino 1.6.3]]
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** Just need to stage and generate the update feeds
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** Since Sam is in Seattle/LV this week, the plan is to use static files+htaccess again for updates
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* Camino 2.0
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** Rough scoping doc at [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.0]]
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** Stuart's started triaging the 2.0 list (3 criteria: regressions, make life better now, someone working on it)
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** Need a target date for Camino 2.0a1 (end of this month)
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** Anti-phishing: Core patch landed; waiting on review. Many follow-up bugs on file.
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** Keyboard loop - Håkan can't review the big patch, perhaps can do the smaller one
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** Tabsposé update
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** Tab dragging?
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** Full content zoom - still need to come up with menu/toolbar item names
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* Tinderboxen
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** cb-x1 back to life (but reporting with .local hostname); resurrection also fixed the Ts anomaly
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** cb-minimaya and cb-minibinus have both gone missing yet again
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<!--** cb-minimaya producing "1.6-M1.8" builds (4 hr clobber, 65 min dep)
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** cb-minibinus producing "2.0-M1.9" builds (4 hr clobber, 45 min dep)-->
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** boxset stopped reporting to tinderbox almost 4 months ago; Sam working on new mail server - {{bug|425138}}
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** cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
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* Dev docs
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** cl rev'ed CBSamplePane; can't build branch-compatible pane using trunk files, other prefs window bugs
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<!--** Can we get a quick list of some examples in our code (mxr links) of various ways of
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*** Calling private APIs
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*** Writing safe code for latest-OS-only features
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**: Add [[Development:Reviewing#Coding_for_latest-OS-version_features_or_using_private_APIs|here]]; we're getting more patches wanting to do these things, so even if "the" solution cannot be prescribed, examples of various situations and techniques will help-->
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* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
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** smorgan caused a bit of movement in the r queue, but still pretty full. cl has patches targeted at just about every reviewer and is already having "bitrot"/patch overlap problems.
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==Specific bugs that need action==
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=== 2.0a1pre ===
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* See 2.0a1? list
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* Cocoa widgets still pretty scary; there are a number of regressions we'll be stuck with
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* Security UI cleanup
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=== 1.6.4 ===
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* More toolbar icons coming?
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===Other (if there's time)===
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* 10.5 Visual UX
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** Bookmark bar - {{bug|401340}}
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** Tab bar
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** Toolbar icons - {{bug|384725}}
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*** We have a designer working on polishing
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** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
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** Folders (UNCO) - {{bug|436012}}
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* cl's buglist
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**{{bug|175748}} - Need mechanism for creating new blank bookmarks
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**{{bug|313079}} - Control characters in bookmark titles cause strange visual effects
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**{{bug|318931}} - History/Bookmarks title changes but URL doesn't (maybe fixed by patch on {{bug|438256}}?)
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**{{bug|363664}} - When right clicking on folder "Bookmark Info" should read "Folder Info"
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* xpfe cleanup
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<!--*** see older Agendas if you're interested -->
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** {{bug|389140}} gets us using the right theme files; needs r=mento
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** {{bug|428333}} license.html; needs r=mento
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** stefanh has a "build finishes, crashes on startup" MOZ_XUL_APP [http://hem.fyristorg.com/s_her/camino/camino-test.diff patch]<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: "<Standard8>stefanh, so, my guess is you need to implement something like http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/suite/app/ (nsSuiteApp.cpp, application.ini, Makefile.in) somewhere in camino"<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: "stefanh, when you flip the flags, the main things that'll affect you immediately are the startup code, command line handlers and possibly alerts<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: stefanh, so xpfe/components/startup/ -> toolkit/components/commandlines toolkit/components/startup etc"<br>[4:17pm] stefanh: ardissone|ish: feel free to play with the code  :P
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==Queries==
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===Camino 2.0a1===
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0a1%3F  Blocking ?]  (4) {{greyText|[<!--+2 since last week-->unchanged]}} <!--  (subtract FIXED here, except when only FIXED on trunk -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0a1%2B  Blocking +]  (1) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!--  subtract FIXED here-->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0a1- Blocking -]  (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}}  <!--  -->
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===Camino 2.0===
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.0]  (45) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!-- -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F  Blocking ?]  (3) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} (bugs not on the 2.0 list that need evaluation) <!--  (subtract FIXED here, except when only FIXED on trunk -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%2B  Blocking +]  (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!-- (but [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&priority=P1&chfieldto=Now P1 bugs]—currently just tab dragging—are blocking) subtract FIXED here-->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0- Blocking -]  (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!--  -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target]  (625) {{greyText|['''+2''' since last week]}} <!-- '''first “CLOSEME” cleanup in a month''  -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2008-07-30&chfieldto=2008-08-05&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting]  ('''3''') {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} ('''0''' were 2.0-targeted)
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==Queues==
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review]  (19) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} '''3 untargeted''' <!--  -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview]  (0) {{greyText|[-2 since last week]}} <!-- (oldest now waiting for two weeks) (only 7 are 1.5 bugs) -->

Latest revision as of 08:23, 6 August 2008

Wed 06 Aug 9am PDT (17:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

General Plans

  • Camino 1.6.1
    • Talkback (all 1.6.1 crashes — >1000 so far)
    • Load was pretty heavy on the server, but things held up better. We didn't use the dynamic feed generator since Sam was out of the office that week and couldn't be there to reboot.
    • Cleaning up stuff from the website; file bugs against Product Site if you see anything.
    • Need to be more diligent about asking about IMs up-front: "I have problem x" "Do you have any input managers installed (e.g., 1Password)?" (We'll have to specifically mention 1Password, since people mostly don't know how it's implemented)
    • Be very careful asking people to test trunk nightlies, since they do irreversible profile damage.
  • Camino 1.6.3
    • Just need to stage and generate the update feeds
    • Since Sam is in Seattle/LV this week, the plan is to use static files+htaccess again for updates
  • Camino 2.0
    • Rough scoping doc at Development:Planning:Camino 2.0
    • Stuart's started triaging the 2.0 list (3 criteria: regressions, make life better now, someone working on it)
    • Need a target date for Camino 2.0a1 (end of this month)
    • Anti-phishing: Core patch landed; waiting on review. Many follow-up bugs on file.
    • Keyboard loop - Håkan can't review the big patch, perhaps can do the smaller one
    • Tabsposé update
    • Tab dragging?
    • Full content zoom - still need to come up with menu/toolbar item names
  • Tinderboxen
    • cb-x1 back to life (but reporting with .local hostname); resurrection also fixed the Ts anomaly
    • cb-minimaya and cb-minibinus have both gone missing yet again
    • boxset stopped reporting to tinderbox almost 4 months ago; Sam working on new mail server - Bug 425138
    • cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
  • Dev docs
    • cl rev'ed CBSamplePane; can't build branch-compatible pane using trunk files, other prefs window bugs
  • Weekly Bugs and Queues update
    • smorgan caused a bit of movement in the r queue, but still pretty full. cl has patches targeted at just about every reviewer and is already having "bitrot"/patch overlap problems.

Specific bugs that need action

2.0a1pre

  • See 2.0a1? list
  • Cocoa widgets still pretty scary; there are a number of regressions we'll be stuck with
  • Security UI cleanup

1.6.4

  • More toolbar icons coming?

Other (if there's time)

  • cl's buglist
    • Bug 175748 - Need mechanism for creating new blank bookmarks
    • Bug 313079 - Control characters in bookmark titles cause strange visual effects
    • Bug 318931 - History/Bookmarks title changes but URL doesn't (maybe fixed by patch on Bug 438256?)
    • Bug 363664 - When right clicking on folder "Bookmark Info" should read "Folder Info"
  • xpfe cleanup
    • Bug 389140 gets us using the right theme files; needs r=mento
    • Bug 428333 license.html; needs r=mento
    • stefanh has a "build finishes, crashes on startup" MOZ_XUL_APP patch
      [4:16pm] stefanh: "<Standard8>stefanh, so, my guess is you need to implement something like http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/suite/app/ (nsSuiteApp.cpp, application.ini, Makefile.in) somewhere in camino"
      [4:16pm] stefanh: "stefanh, when you flip the flags, the main things that'll affect you immediately are the startup code, command line handlers and possibly alerts
      [4:16pm] stefanh: stefanh, so xpfe/components/startup/ -> toolkit/components/commandlines toolkit/components/startup etc"
      [4:17pm] stefanh: ardissone|ish: feel free to play with the code :P

Queries

Camino 2.0a1

Camino 2.0

Queues

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