Status Meetings:2010-10-06:Log

Log from #camino-mtg starting 2010-10-06 15:31:01 -0400

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16:02	ardissone:	http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-10-06:Agenda
16:03	ardissone:	we've moved back up to where we had been in late 2.0.3 with crashes
16:03	ardissone:	not sure if that means we've gotten crashier, or Socorro has fixed their dropping-data problem
16:04	ardissone:	we had a bunch of movement in the last week
16:04	ardissone:	HashString(nsAString_internal const&) has really jumped up
16:04	ardissone:	it's a startup font crash
16:04	ardissone:	in our case, it's only occurring on 10.4.11 PPC
16:05	ardissone:	which is bizarre
16:05	ardissone:	since there should have been no external factors to trigger it
16:05	ardissone:	but obviously no change in Camino 2.0.4, either :P
16:06	ardissone:	Flash 10.1 crashes are falling, Flash 10.0 crashes are rising
16:06	ardissone:	spike in NSWindow sendEvent:
16:06	smorgan:	O.o
16:07	ardissone:	yeah :P
16:07	ardissone:	and the bottom end of the list has pretty much rotated out from the usual crashes
16:08	ardissone:	cbo is now the #2 domain for crahes
16:08	ardissone:	*crashes
16:08	ardissone:	which is predominantly the fault of HashString(nsAString_internal const&)
16:08	ardissone:	and then the broken-record part ;) KBL is still the #1 single crash :P
16:10	ardissone:	also, to make us feel even better, some guy named Nietzsche called us "the new IE" :P :/
16:10	smorgan:	Because of our monopolistic bundling?
16:10	ardissone:	didn't explain why
16:11	smorgan:	No context?
16:11	ardissone:	assumes his site is making bad assumptions and he doesn't want to fix them
16:11	ardissone:	no
16:11	smorgan:	Anyway, I'll try to make more time to work on Camino in the next couple of weeks
16:11	smorgan:	Since I haven't really recently
16:11	ardissone:	:)
16:12	ardissone:	anyone have anything else on 2.0.4?
16:12	ardissone:	I think we're finally back to being able to get reliable stats again
16:13	ardissone:	but Google Docs keeps dropping the # of things you can have in a sheet
16:14	ardissone:	On 2.0.5
16:15	ardissone:	smorgan: do you have any ideas about the non-shutdown cases of KBL, or logging for them, or should we just take the shutdown case and go for now?
16:16	smorgan:	I haven't had any new insights yet there, no. Just a better idea of where in general it's actually crashing
16:16	smorgan:	I don't have any loggable theories yet
16:16	smorgan:	I don't think we should hold 2.0.5 on it if everything else is ready
16:17	ardissone:	ok
16:18	ardissone:	i haven't had time to go through the last round of security fixes, and i don't know when I'll get a block of time for that
16:18	ardissone:	but we do have the Google Calendar print fix and some other, smaller things, the new JEP, and a couple things from Gecko we can minibranch
16:19	ardissone:	so i guess we could go with that
16:20	ardissone:	plus the prospect of flash-check on welcome/
16:21	ardissone:	what does everyone thin\k?
16:27	ardissone:	um
16:27	ardissone:	on the 2.1 front, things have been moving slowly, but we keep finding even more focus regressions :/
16:29	ardissone:	one of the latest ones is a regression from stuart fixing an even worse focus bug :(
16:30	ardissone:	i don't think they block a1 unless they become more widespread
16:31	ardissone:	pinkerton: did you see the replies on the localize download sizes bug?
16:31	pinkerton:	yeah
16:31	pinkerton:	was mulling it over
16:32	ardissone:	we look wrong vs the OS if we don't, which is why l10n was unhappy
16:33	pinkerton:	it's really just france
16:33	pinkerton:	they're they only ones that change things
16:33	pinkerton:	they can just learn to speak chinese like the rest of us
16:33	ardissone:	Swedish does something, too, because that's why Markus was upset
16:34	pinkerton:	shrugs
16:34	pinkerton:	ok whatever
16:34	pinkerton:	sr=hyatt
16:34	ardissone:	:)
16:35	ardissone:	we need some feedback about the suggested re-name of the BOOL for bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=601770
16:35	pinkerton:	from me?
16:35	ardissone:	you or smorgan
16:36	smorgan:	I can look soonish
16:36	ardissone:	and also the best way to structure the code to fix bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458259 (see comment 4)
16:36	ardissone:	k
16:38	ardissone:	cl|lupper: do you have anything else?
16:39	ardissone:	ok
16:39	ardissone:	ilya did his very first review last night
16:39	pinkerton:	sweet
16:39	ardissone:	and he says that he's now in the pool for reviews, which will be helpful
16:40	pinkerton:	double-rainbow sweet
16:40	ardissone:	cpeterso keeps trying to request review from me, but it's always on code :(
16:41	ardissone:	so i have to keep redirecting them to actual coding people :P
16:41	ardissone:	anyway, with ilya we have one more choice
16:41	ardissone:	cpeterso keeps finding new things to fix, which is good
16:42	ardissone:	they're getting progressively more into the guts of Camino, which is good because he can dig in to the harder stuff
16:42	ardissone:	but bad because the reviews are more complex and harder, which means more of them bubble up to smorgan :P
16:43	ardissone:	and we haven't yet implemented !clone ;)
16:43	ardissone:	there was a guy who stopped by yesterday to say hi and how much he liked Camino
16:43	pinkerton:	sweet
16:43	ardissone:	he was pulling the source to see if he could help out
16:43	pinkerton:	we also got feedback from someone who just discovered Camino and was abandoning Chrome
16:44	ardissone:	haha :D
16:44	pinkerton:	:)
16:44	ardissone:	pinkerton: do you feel like Archie when Peyton plays Eli?
16:45	ardissone:	anyway, the guy disappeared last night; hopefully he'll be back; i told him to ask any questions he had
16:46	pinkerton:	heh
16:47	ardissone:	i've been busy here, so i haven't been able to do much, and most of that was spent covering for Sam on the website/server issues
16:47	ardissone:	hopefully that's mostly straightened out
16:48	ardissone:	they're going to be decommissioning our hardware soon, so we'll be moving to a new setuo
16:48	ardissone:	*p
16:48	smorgan:	Did you figure out any more about that rat bastard who keeps pinging our update server? ;)
16:48	ardissone:	which one? :P ;)
16:49	smorgan:	I was thinking us
16:49	ardissone:	no, i was going to ask you later about what things to look at on the box
16:50	ardissone:	because something's clearly not right on any of them, based on the logic in our code and the logic in tinderbox
16:51	ardissone:	anyway, we can follow-up after the meeting on that
16:52	ardissone:	so, should we look to build 2.0.5 late this week and aim to release the 19th?
16:52	smorgan:	SGTM
16:53	ardissone:	ok
16:53	ardissone:	anyone have anything else today?
16:54	ardissone:	then please work on those 2.1a1 patches/reviews, and have a good week :)
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