Status Meetings:2011-02-23:Log

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16:00	ardissone:	brb
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16:04	pinkerton:	yo
16:04	ardissone:	moof!
16:04	ardissone:	good to see you again :)
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16:05	ardissone:	http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2011-02-23:Agenda
16:06	ardissone:	the good news: still very few 2.1a1 crashes
16:06	ardissone:	the not-so-good news: it doesn't have very many users, and the main crashes are things entirely outside our control :P
16:07	ardissone:	(not unusually-low, though)
16:07	smorgan:	We can solve the first problem... ship it!
16:07	ardissone:	haha
16:07	ardissone:	yes, that is controllable
16:08	ardissone:	is there potential for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=550392 to screw us up?
16:09	ardissone:	it has most of my favorite ingredients for a "screw Camino" fix :P
16:09	smorgan:	Looking...
16:10	smorgan:	Looks like it only owns Gecko objects
16:11	smorgan:	So that's a plus
16:11	ardissone:	:)
16:11	smorgan:	I can't swear that it won't screw us up somehow of course ;)
16:11	ardissone:	sure ;)
16:11	smorgan:	But it won't affect, e.g., CHBrowserView lifetime
16:11	ardissone:	"likelihood of screwing Camino: less than normal" ?
16:12	smorgan:	Exactly
16:12	ardissone:	ok
16:12	ardissone:	that makes me feel better
16:12	ardissone:	however, that bug we talked about last friday or on the weekend, makes me feel worse :P
16:13	ardissone:	(well, mostly for 2.0.x)
16:13	ardissone:	which we can segue into…
16:13	ardissone:	not much new in the crashes there
16:14	ardissone:	the 10.6 libobjc.A.dylib symbols issue is annoying
16:14	ardissone:	getting 22CD62D49E7DC31AF585FCEF1FE4C39A0 from ilya helped some, but not enough
16:15	ardissone:	some rotation/spikes on the lower end of the top 10
16:15	ardissone:	_nsnote_callback (mostly related to closing windows with a mouse, but occasionally keyboard)
16:15	ardissone:	our old friend pthread_mutex_lock with Veetle/VLC and Comcast/Move-Media-Player
16:16	ardissone:	and CFBasicHashReplaceValue (which is the Sonix SN9C201 WebCam driver + Flash)
16:16	smorgan:	The NSNotification callback could be us
16:16	ardissone:	i thought there was a bug on the webcam crash before, but I couldn't find it
16:17	ardissone:	smorgan: should I file it, then?
16:17	smorgan:	Sure; I've also made a note to audit all our notification registration
16:17	ardissone:	ok
16:17	smorgan:	To see if we forgot to unregister somewhere
16:17	ardissone:	mm
16:18	ardissone:	ok, i'll file it
16:19	ardissone:	also
16:19	ardissone:	smorgan: is https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/d7fe25bb-2e2e-416d-8ef7-65c492110216 a null-check problem?
16:20	smorgan:	Looks like
16:20	ardissone:	of mGeckoChild, right?
16:20	smorgan:	Hard to tell what the source of the bug is ultimately though from glancing
16:20	smorgan:	Probably
16:20	smorgan:	It's possible there are elided frames under that call
16:21	smorgan:	But null-checking there would be a start. I don't remember when it can be null offhand
16:21	ardissone:	that bug still happens on 1.9.2 (to Firefox), so I'll file it
16:21	smorgan:	But I believe the general rule for ChildView is to check
16:21	ardissone:	yeah, i thought so
16:21	ardissone:	and the comments futher down are not encouraging :P
16:22	ardissone:	i doubt that josh or masayuki will care to look at it soon, since it's a more low-grade crash
16:22	ardissone:	but the lack of null-checking did stick out at me
16:22	smorgan:	Agreed, looks fishy
16:23	ardissone:	there were 11 new lastpass crashes this week, but no new emails
16:24	ardissone:	and i've already mentioned our "missing symbols for 10.6 libobjc" problem
16:24	ardissone:	still at least 4 versions of that dylib out there
16:25	ardissone:	on 2.0.7
16:25	ardissone:	basically we have the one Camino bug left (stop the unsupported protocols infinite loop)
16:26	ardissone:	and a bunch of little Gecko things that need landing
16:26	ardissone:	and then that one scary problem I mentioned earlier, for which we probably want to hold 2.0.7 until a fix is apparent
16:27	ardissone:	given the current plan for 2.0.7 to be the last 2.0.x
16:27	ardissone:	and focus on 2.1 (which is also affected, but which has much better protection for said issue ;) )
16:28	ardissone:	the good news is that, despite the frozen-over state of pink's sr queue ;)
16:28	ardissone:	we landed a bunch of stuff last week
16:28	pinkerton:	:D
16:28	ardissone:	:)
16:28	pinkerton:	sorry i've just been so swamped lately
16:28	ardissone:	understood
16:29	ardissone:	(and you haven't even been going to foggy bottom :P )
16:29	ardissone:	bad DC joke :P
16:29	pinkerton:	the escalators totally broke last week and chunks fell out!
16:29	pinkerton:	thank god i wasn't there
16:29	ardissone:	yeah, i saw your tweet about that :O
16:30	ardissone:	the city's falling apart
16:30	ardissone:	stuart's much-improved autocomplete ranking landed :D
16:30	pinkerton:	yay!
16:30	ardissone:	it also feels a bit faster, in addition to giving me the right results
16:31	ardissone:	we have a few other bits of UI work to do on it yet
16:31	ardissone:	cpeterso has a patch to make hover work; dunno if it got bitrotted or not
16:31	ardissone:	and some of dan's old follow-ups
16:32	ardissone:	but i've now completely stopped cursing it
16:32	ardissone:	speaking of follow-ups, though
16:32	ardissone:	do we have any ideas about what to do about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506762 ?
16:34	ardissone:	(should we at least confirm it, even if we have no good ideas/it will miss 2.1?)
16:34	smorgan:	I haven't thought about it a while
16:34	smorgan:	Chrome doesn't do that, FWIW
16:34	ardissone:	do what?
16:35	ardissone:	show the URL when matching based on a title?
16:35	smorgan:	Maybe I'm confused about the bug
16:36	ardissone:	comment 0 is not especially clear ;)
16:36	smorgan:	Oh, you have to arrow down to it
16:36	smorgan:	Chrome does stomp in that case
16:36	smorgan:	Yeah, I guess confirm it
16:36	ardissone:	ok
16:38	ardissone:	so for b1 we have a few things outstanding
16:39	ardissone:	in terms of new features, i think just the rest of my chrome registration stuff, out for review
16:39	ardissone:	and for l10n, I believe just going through the Gecko strings
16:40	ardissone:	some regressions: still no pinch (and no word from murph), me breaking AppleScript tab-opening in the initial external protocol infiinte loop fix
16:41	ardissone:	i'm guessing we can look for early next month for b1?
16:42	smorgan:	I'm working on keeping my queue pretty clear
16:42	smorgan:	So it's mostly down to your time
16:42	smorgan:	I might try to look at pinch if it have time
16:42	smorgan:	s/it/I/
16:43	ardissone:	which comes and goes; the weather's been warm, so more outside work :P
16:44	ardissone:	smorgan: did you want to take Bug 634705 - Don't use default system accept-language list for 2.1?
16:45	smorgan:	Sure, I'll try to come up with a heuristic (or just hard-code the list)\
16:45	ardissone:	ok
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16:46	ardissone:	not specifically for 2.1, but i keep running into it when I do one of my quick fixes: should we do Bug 619166 - Make all string control character sanitization handle invalid characters
16:47	smorgan:	I'd have to look at usage
16:48	ardissone:	ok
16:49	ardissone:	how is our Flash 10.2 adoption coming? still depressed?
16:50	smorgan:	13% for all intel
16:50	smorgan:	(all intel Camino that is)
16:50	smorgan:	10% for all 2.0.6
16:51	ardissone:	ok
16:52	ardissone:	i don't remember what last week's numbers were; i think you must have given them in the other channel
16:52	smorgan:	Yeah, I think I did
16:52	ardissone:	you had to leave early, iirc
16:52	smorgan:	Hm, 2.0.6 was 12% last week
16:53	ardissone:	i thought all-intel was maybe 20?
16:53	smorgan:	And Camino 2 Intel was 14%
16:53	ardissone:	oh
16:53	smorgan:	So... that's weird
16:53	ardissone:	we're going down :O
16:53	ardissone:	yeah :(
16:53	smorgan:	Maybe people are discovering that 10.2 is... edgy
16:53	ardissone:	heh
16:54	ardissone:	it seems slightly less crashy than 10.1 had been, in our stats
16:55	ardissone:	anyway, that's all i have for today
16:55	ardissone:	smorgan: you have anything else?
16:55	ardissone:	(besides "ship it!" ;) )
16:55	smorgan:	Nope
16:55	ardissone:	ok then
16:56	ardissone:	everyone please keep up the good work on those 2.1/b1 bugs and reviews, and have a good week :D
16:56	ardissone:	(we landed 16 bugs in the last week)