Status Meetings:2009-09-23:Log

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[12:08pm] ardissone|foraging: smorgan: we expecting pink?
[12:17pm] smorgan: Sorry, too many windows. I'll check
[12:17pm] ardissone|foraging: hehe
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[12:21pm] smorgan: I guess we should start and see if he shows up
[12:21pm] ardissone|foraging: or, say, anyone else 
[12:21pm] ardissone|foraging: http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2009-09-23:Agenda
[12:22pm] ardissone|foraging: er, crap
[12:22pm] ardissone|foraging: brb, have to shut windows
[12:23pm] ardissone|foraging: ok
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[12:23pm] ardissone: b4
[12:23pm] ardissone: Chrome got some nice press from our release 
[12:23pm] smorgan: haha
[12:24pm] ardissone: Crashes look pretty good so far, though we have not yet a week of them
[12:24pm] ardissone: Flash is back at #1
[12:24pm] ardissone: #2 is our friend nsNativeThemeCocoa::DrawPushButton
[12:24pm] ardissone: every one that i looked at (but didn't look at all of them) had the GD intercept dylib in the stack
[12:25pm] ardissone: haven't seen that crash in a while
[12:25pm] ardissone: wondering if the new buttons might be triggering it
[12:25pm] smorgan: Did you notice what OS versions?
[12:26pm] ardissone: not really, no
[12:26pm] smorgan: checks...
[12:26pm] ardissone: all 10.4.11
[12:26pm] smorgan: Yep, that's what I expected
[12:26pm] smorgan: So at least we won't be getting more over time
[12:26pm] ardissone: ppcs are all one build behind final 
[12:27pm] ardissone: ok, that's good
[12:27pm] ardissone: i'll keep an eye on it and hope it doesn't keep rising
[12:27pm] ardissone: #3 is the Flash+Exposé bug
[12:28pm] ardissone: it looks like Adobe is starting to look at it 
[12:28pm] ardissone: lots of crashes tied for #4 so far
[12:28pm] ardissone: nsWebShell::Release() (2 are validating back button; all near startup)
[12:29pm] ardissone: objc_msgSend | __delayedPerformCleanup is interesting only in that it eventually has nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent on the stack
[12:29pm] ardissone: and the appshell runloop functions have historically been buggy in the 2.*
[12:29pm] ardissone:
[12:30pm] ardissone: nsCacheService::OpenCacheEntry related to fetching bookmark icons
[12:30pm] ardissone: dunno if something we are doing "wrong" is triggering that, or if their cache is just busted?
[12:31pm] smorgan: Not sure
[12:32pm] ardissone: we'll see how it sorts out next week with more crashes, I guess
[12:33pm] ardissone: smichaud's still terminating us with uncaught exceptions, now on 10.5.8
[12:33pm] ardissone:
[12:33pm] smorgan: Was there a Java update, or is it the new JEP?
[12:33pm] ardissone: there was a java update a month or so ago
[12:34pm] ardissone: it's also possible that the new JEP doesn't work with older Java
[12:34pm] ardissone: actually, i think there's also an open bug about JavaFX; I forget how it crashes
[12:35pm] ardissone: i'll try to look that up
[12:35pm] ardissone: the good news, so far, is that -[NSApp sendEvent:] is way down at the moment
[12:35pm] ardissone: and that the _objc_error/_objc_trap crashes are also essentially non-existant
[12:36pm] ardissone: so hopefully that patch helped both cases
[12:36pm] ardissone: we'll see
[12:36pm] ardissone: oh, forgot to mention
[12:36pm] ardissone: http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0b4 
[12:37pm] ardissone: we only have 5 urls though, out of 90 crashes
[12:37pm] smorgan: Huh
[12:38pm] ardissone: and no way inside the black box 
[12:39pm] ardissone: 1.6.9 crashes seem to still be low
[12:39pm] ardissone: of course we only have PPC 
[12:39pm] ardissone: Basically plug-ins 
[12:39pm] ardissone: 1.6.10, everything's in place now
[12:40pm] ardissone: just need to tag and spin; may not be until the weekend
[12:41pm] ardissone: any dan sightings recently?
[12:41pm] smorgan: Before long, everyone using 1.6 should be PPC, so any Intel crashes we don't know about will be moot 
[12:43pm] smorgan: I heard from dan recently
[12:43pm] smorgan: He's still planning on updating patches, just really busy with school
[12:43pm] ardissone: k
[12:44pm] ardissone: on to 2.0
[12:44pm] ardissone: any reply from josh about the black hole?
[12:44pm] smorgan: He said he'd try to post a patch this week
[12:44pm] ardissone: k
[12:45pm] ardissone: code freeze was last night; i forget how long sam said the tree would be closed then, 3wks?
[12:45pm] smorgan: Ouch
[12:46pm] ardissone: we'll play it by ear
[12:46pm] ardissone: Tabsposé is the big thing we have left; like to get the keyboard and focus bugs fixed for 2.0
[12:47pm] ardissone: only lisa has commented on the zoom increment change so far; she likes it 
[12:47pm] ardissone: no legitimate complaints on the new 10.5-style UI stuff
[12:47pm] smorgan: I started playing with the keyboard loop a bit
[12:47pm] ardissone:
[12:49pm] ardissone: that's all i really have on 2.0; do you have anything other than "ship it!"?  
[12:49pm] smorgan: Have we let loose the hounds of localization?
[12:50pm] ardissone: yes
[12:50pm] smorgan:
[12:50pm] ardissone: "Breakpad.nib isn't in English.lproj!" 
[12:50pm] ardissone: "Because it doesn't need to be; see my message about the freeze"
[12:50pm] smorgan: And thank goodness for that
[12:51pm] ardissone: Marcello said it took him a couple hours to move from a full b3 to b4
[12:51pm] ardissone: so anyone who had been working all along should be in good shape
[12:52pm] ardissone: http://cl10n.rwx.it/node/122
[12:52pm] ardissone: the big one of worry is spanish
[12:53pm] ardissone: Ernesto has been upstreaming Sparkle translations, so I assume he's doing some work, but ...
[12:54pm] ardissone: other than that, we fixed two bugs last week; they were the two that needed fixing, so that was good
[12:55pm] ardissone: but we seem to be a little light on manpower right now ;)
[12:56pm] ardissone: froodian came by friday to sing the praises of our work
[12:57pm] ardissone: smorgan: anything else?
[12:57pm] smorgan: nope
[12:57pm] ardissone: ok then :)
[12:58pm] ardissone: have a good week, and keep on fixing those bugs :)
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[12:58pm] ardissone: we could almost have had this meeting last night
[12:58pm] smorgan: heh
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