Status Meetings:2010-11-03:Log
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Log from #camino-mtg starting 2010-11-03 15:29:51 -0400
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15:29 | » sauron was promoted to operator by ChanServ. | |
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15:29 | » ardissone changed the topic to "http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-11-03:Agenda". | |
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15:55 | » Wevah was promoted to operator by ardissone. | |
16:00 | » smorgan joined the chat room. | |
16:01 | ardissone: | smorgan: pink? |
16:01 | » smorgan was promoted to operator by ardissone. | |
16:01 | smorgan: | checking |
16:01 | ardissone: | k |
16:02 | » ilya joined the chat room. | |
16:02 | » ilya was promoted to operator by ardissone. | |
16:05 | ardissone: | brb |
16:11 | ardissone: | ? |
16:15 | smorgan: | No answer |
16:15 | ardissone: | ok |
16:15 | ilya: | what's the question? |
16:15 | ardissone: | "pink?" |
16:15 | ardissone: | let's go then |
16:15 | ilya: | oh — he's in a meeting |
16:16 | ardissone: | heh |
16:16 | smorgan: | I have to leave in 15 min, so we should front-load anything I need to be here for |
16:16 | ardissone: | k |
16:16 | ardissone: | did you see my comments in bug 493474? |
16:18 | ardissone: | on 2.0.5, julian showed up and complained about autocomplete not working, but never responded when i asked for details |
16:18 | ardissone: | other than that, no really new stuff |
16:18 | ardissone: | people noticed flash-check; we heard some mentions on the forum and twitter |
16:19 | smorgan: | Oops :( |
16:19 | smorgan: | I should have caught that |
16:19 | smorgan: | Go ahead and add it; sr=me |
16:19 | ardissone: | k |
16:19 | ardissone: | i should have looked at the patch sooner :( |
16:20 | ardissone: | when there's a chance, might be nice to see this week's Flash stats |
16:20 | ardissone: | we're ~55% 2.0.x on 2.0.5 now |
16:20 | smorgan: | It was ~43% current Flash |
16:20 | smorgan: | I looked this morning |
16:20 | ardissone: | :) |
16:20 | ardissone: | still going up :) |
16:21 | smorgan: | I checked the few days before, it might be leveling out |
16:21 | smorgan: | hard to tell |
16:21 | ardissone: | k |
16:21 | smorgan: | Still, it's a solid jump |
16:21 | ardissone: | still, helpful :D |
16:21 | ardissone: | mhm |
16:21 | ardissone: | on crashes |
16:21 | ardissone: | we only have 1wk data, but even 2x we're a little under where we were with 2.0.4 |
16:22 | ardissone: | KBL is still leading |
16:22 | ardissone: | Flash 10.1 and 10.0 are about equally split |
16:22 | ardissone: | 10.1 has a slight lead |
16:23 | ardissone: | bottom half of top 10 is assorted stuff again, including Flash+libcrypto! |
16:23 | ardissone: | the "corrupt" stacks problem is pretty widespread |
16:24 | ardissone: | (-[BrowserWrapper removeTransientBar:display:] showing up below _start and start) |
16:24 | ardissone: | not sure what might be going on there |
16:24 | ardissone: | troubling, but the stacks seem OK otherwise, so not too troubling |
16:25 | ardissone: | also, we have a lot of 10.6.4 whatever-the-build-id-is crashes that don't have OS libraries resymbolize |
16:25 | ardissone: | d |
16:25 | ardissone: | with is annoying |
16:25 | ardissone: | it's not as bad as 10.4.11, but headed that way |
16:26 | ardissone: | anything else with 2.0.5? |
16:27 | ardissone: | skipping ahead |
16:27 | ardissone: | the big problem the past few weeks has been stuck queues |
16:27 | ardissone: | (r and sr) |
16:27 | ardissone: | pink cleared his this am :) |
16:27 | ardissone: | i pinged hendy, and he said he'd try to get to his soon |
16:28 | ardissone: | ilya said last night we needed to clone him a firefighter ;) |
16:28 | ardissone: | smorgan: still look like you'll have some camino time this week? |
16:28 | smorgan: | Yep |
16:28 | ardissone: | :) |
16:29 | smorgan: | Didn't last night because I was watching elections, but should for the rest of the week |
16:29 | ardissone: | here's hoping for 2.1a1 in November! |
16:29 | ardissone: | i left some comments in the history bug |
16:29 | smorgan: | I'm sure it'll happen; 2.1 is a small, quick release ;) |
16:29 | ardissone: | haha |
16:30 | ardissone: | small, yes; quick, no |
16:30 | smorgan: | 1.9.0->1.9.2 isn't exactly small either |
16:30 | ardissone: | true |
16:30 | ardissone: | not at all |
16:30 | ardissone: | "small" in what users can see as features |
16:30 | smorgan: | I'm out; I'll lurk in channel though |
16:30 | ardissone: | k |
16:31 | ardissone: | so |
16:31 | ardissone: | back to 2.0.x |
16:31 | ardissone: | cpeterso pushed the Flash console spam bug inside Adobe, and it came back WONTFIX |
16:31 | ilya: | pink just walked by — might be popping in in a little while |
16:31 | ardissone: | k |
16:32 | ardissone: | which is not much of a surprise |
16:33 | ardissone: | but it's still unclear what's causing it |
16:33 | ardissone: | and would have been nice if we could have gotten some info from Adobe |
16:34 | ardissone: | otherwise, for 2.0.6 we have some bookmarks metadata cleanup fixes |
16:34 | ardissone: | probably the "dls with no content-length appear cancelled" |
16:34 | ardissone: | and whatever assorted other fixes we have |
16:35 | ardissone: | stuart will look at KBL again after 2.1a1 is out |
16:36 | ardissone: | it's disturbing how this crash came out of nowhere and ramped up |
16:36 | ardissone: | and that there appears to be no way to reproduce it |
16:37 | ardissone: | anything else on 2.0.x? |
16:38 | ardissone: | On 2.1 |
16:38 | ardissone: | we're getting closer to the first "end" of Stuart's history rewrite |
16:38 | ardissone: | that will get autocomplete back to fast enough to Alpha! |
16:39 | ardissone: | some of the ENSURE(foo) failures are worrisome |
16:39 | ardissone: | i logged some last weekend when working on another bug |
16:40 | ardissone: | and commented in the history bug and the bug related to one the specific errors, which we'd filed all the way back in March! |
16:41 | Wevah: | have you complained about any of my bugs yet? |
16:41 | Wevah: | >_< |
16:41 | ardissone: | :P |
16:41 | ardissone: | "Wevah doesn't have enough bugs!" |
16:41 | Wevah: | uhh |
16:42 | ardissone: | Wevah: did I cc you recently on a bug? |
16:42 | Wevah: | uhh |
16:42 | Wevah: | i have no idea |
16:42 | ardissone: | is still trying to figure out what that was |
16:42 | ardissone: | moz@derailer doesn't get mail, or that mail doesn't get read? ;) |
16:43 | ardissone: | i pinged murph over the weekend, too, about coming back to do pinch; no reply from him yet |
16:44 | ardissone: | as i alluded to earlier, hendy did say he'd try to be back soon |
16:44 | ardissone: | cl should be back next week |
16:44 | Wevah: | it gets dumped into a bugzilla folder which i rarely look at |
16:44 | Wevah: | :/ |
16:44 | ardissone: | heh |
16:45 | ardissone: | Anyway, the two big things we have to fix for 2.1 are history/autocomplete regressions and focus regressions |
16:45 | ardissone: | both of which are nasty |
16:47 | ardissone: | anything else on 2.1/a1? |
16:48 | ardissone: | haha |
16:49 | ardissone: | bug 417963 and bug 363895 sound like things for Wevah |
16:49 | ardissone: | (see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363895#c9) |
16:49 | ardissone: | "write a test app" is Wevah's m.o. :) |
16:50 | Wevah: | are they cocoa menus? |
16:50 | ardissone: | yeah, NSMenus |
16:50 | Wevah: | cant we just use alternate menu items? |
16:50 | ardissone: | no |
16:50 | Wevah: | why not? |
16:50 | ardissone: | well, we do in some places |
16:50 | ardissone: | and it's hacky |
16:51 | Wevah: | how is it hacky? |
16:51 | ardissone: | and hard to do in others |
16:51 | ardissone: | and causes things like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=587323 |
16:52 | ardissone: | we have to do lots of special-casing for counting, and have to move things out of nibs into code, and then we still have bugs |
16:52 | Wevah: | could override the accessibility title somehow, but that'd still mean a lot of voiceover |
16:52 | Wevah: | i guess the only real option is GetCurrentEventKeyModifiers() or whatever |
16:53 | ardissone: | that screws up spaces on 10.6 |
16:53 | Wevah: | whatever one returns the actual current hardware state instead of the cached flags |
16:53 | Wevah: | then you are screwed! |
16:53 | Wevah: | i got nothin' |
16:54 | ardissone: | well, the Apple docs claim what we want to do is fixed |
16:54 | Wevah: | how does it screw up spaces? |
16:54 | Wevah: | that seems really strange |
16:54 | ardissone: | they're just ambiguous as to what the requirements are |
16:55 | ardissone: | whether it's runtime, SDK, build host, or what |
16:55 | Wevah: | oh wait i just read the comment about currentEvent |
16:55 | ardissone: | ;) |
16:56 | ardissone: | (bug 516249 is how it screws up spaces, btw) |
16:56 | Wevah: | that should work fine as long as we're liking on 10.5/don't need to support 10.4 or under |
16:56 | ardissone: | we still support 10.4 |
16:56 | ardissone: | 10.4 sdk, 10.5 buildhost |
16:56 | Wevah: | i think the only reason i couldn't use it in a certain app was it breaks if the app isn't the foreground app (which matters for status item apps, but not normal ones) |
16:56 | ardissone: | 10.4 min runtime |
16:57 | Wevah: | i admit it i don't really pay attention to 10.4 stuff anymore :S |
16:57 | Wevah: | er, admit that |
16:58 | ardissone: | well, this is going to be the last hurrah for 10.4 and PPC, so we still have to care ;) |
16:58 | Wevah: | blech |
16:58 | Wevah: | ! |
16:59 | ardissone: | In other news, Sam reported last week that he had indeed mailed the AppZapper folks again |
16:59 | ardissone: | no response yet at that time |
17:00 | ardissone: | We're also due this month for a server migration |
17:00 | ardissone: | which should hopefully unblock a whole bunch of piled-up website bugs |
17:01 | ardissone: | hopefully also leading to caminoplanet running without intervention :P |
17:01 | ardissone: | and not gagging on my feed :P |
17:01 | Wevah: | i already had a negative opinion of appzapper |
17:02 | ardissone: | before they suggested it was the perfect way to "clean up" after Camino nightly builds? ;) |
17:02 | Wevah: | before that yeah |
17:02 | ardissone: | i think that about covers everything I had |
17:02 | ardissone: | anyone have anything else? |
17:04 | ardissone: | ok then |
17:04 | ardissone: | everyone please work on 2.1/a1 bugs and reviews, and have a good week! :) |