Status Meetings:2011-03-30:Log

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Log from #camino-mtg starting 2011-03-30 15:59:26 -0400

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15:59  » ardissone was promoted to operator by ChanServ.
15:59  » pinkerton was promoted to operator by ardissone.
15:59 ardissone: brb
16:08 ardissone: guesses stuart's at lunch?
16:08 pinkerton: not sure, haven't seem him around for a few hours
16:09 pinkerton: idle 3 hours at work
16:09 ardissone: yeah, he hasn't said anything in #camino since 2:45
16:09 pinkerton: maybe he's doing visa stuff
16:10 ardissone: he's joining ss as a world traveller? :)
16:10  » smorgan joined the chat room.
16:10  » smorgan was promoted to operator by ardissone.
16:10 ardissone: ok
16:10 pinkerton: speak of the devil
16:10  » ardissone changed the topic to "http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2011-03-30:Agenda".
16:10 ardissone:  :)
16:11 ardissone: I guess we lead this week with the doom-and-gloom
16:11 ardissone: http://caminobrowser.org/blog/2011/#mozembedding for anyone who hasn't seen it
16:12 pinkerton: i'm surprised i haven't gotten any pings about it
16:12 ardissone: (stuart's also done a couple of nice follow-ups on his own; check them out via caminoplanet or escapedthoughts)
16:12 smorgan: pinkerton: except that one email ;)
16:12 pinkerton: except some fucknut on feedback telling us that we're not useful anymore
16:12 pinkerton: yeah.
16:12 ardissone: yeah, reaction has been muted
16:13 ardissone:  :P
16:13 ardissone: not sure if everyone is distracted by comodogate, wwdc-is-broken-gate, or what
16:14 pinkerton: heh
16:14 ardissone: 10.6.7-font-crash-gate :P
16:14 pinkerton: mmm yeah
16:15 ardissone: but as the post said, we're back to work on Camino.now
16:15 ardissone: since last Tuesday, we've got 2/3 of 2.0.6's users to 2.0.7, and 3/4 of 2.1a1's users to 2.1a2pre
16:17 ardissone: the bizarre thing on 2.1.x is that there are still more crashes for 2.1a1 than for 2.1a2pre :P
16:17 smorgan: That means we rock! ;)
16:17 ardissone: i didn't really spend much time poking at that
16:17 ardissone:  ?
16:17 smorgan: We fixed all the crashes
16:17 smorgan: Even the ones we don't understand
16:17 ardissone: oh, haha
16:17 smorgan: Or are in Flash or Gecko
16:17 ardissone:  :D
16:18 ardissone: s/we/smorgan/ ;)
16:18 ardissone: on 2.0.7
16:19 smorgan: (Camino 2 Intel's Flash numbers for yesterday: 30%/12%/42%)
16:19 ardissone: smorgan: do we have new Flash numbers?
16:19 ardissone: haha!
16:19 ardissone: what's the third value?
16:19 smorgan: 10.1r102
16:19 ardissone: k
16:20 smorgan: 2.0.7 overal is 40%/9%/38%
16:20 ardissone: iirc, the first number has gone up since last week
16:20 smorgan: These are both the including-welcome-and-start values
16:20 ardissone: mhm
16:20 smorgan: Yep, progress is being made on 10.2.latest
16:20 ardissone:  :)
16:20 smorgan: I think having it be #1 for 2.0.7 users is new
16:21 ardissone:  :)
16:21 smorgan: (Safari is 11%/16%/34% for comparison)
16:21 ardissone:  :O
16:21 smorgan: Yeah, I think it's safe to say our prompt helps
16:21 pinkerton: wait, what?
16:22 ardissone: Vistors to cbo
16:22 smorgan: Oh wait, 17% have "not set". Weird
16:22 ardissone: no Flash?
16:23 smorgan: I guess
16:23 smorgan: (Chrome: 97%/1%/<1% in case you were wondering ;) )
16:24 ardissone: apparently shipping one's own Flash+silent updates really helps ;)
16:24 pinkerton: shock
16:24 ardissone: The other stat-of-the-day is that our PPC usage finally dropped below 25% this week (24.97%, so just barely)
16:25 pinkerton: wow
16:26 smorgan: We should run OS+arch numbers again sometime from raw data
16:27 ardissone: 10.3 is under 8%; 10.4 ~17%, 10.5 ~25%, 10.6 ~50%
16:28 ardissone: i can get you a weekly logfile; they're about 75MB uncompressed
16:28 smorgan: Sounds good
16:28 ardissone: depending on the # of garbage pings that week :P
16:29 ardissone: ok, on to 2.0.7 crashes
16:29 ardissone: crash rate is about what we'd expect for a week
16:30 ardissone: a bit lower due to early adoption
16:30 ardissone: also
16:30 ardissone: It appears that certain font-related crashes are not triggering Breakpad
16:30 ardissone: so any of them we cannot see :(
16:32 ardissone: ( some crashes do)
16:32 ardissone: otherwise, the crashes are as expected :P
16:33 ardissone: smorgan: any idea why those apparently aren't triggering breakpad?
16:33 smorgan: You said they were C++ exceptions, right?
16:33 smorgan: Maybe Breakpad doesn't catch those?
16:34 ardissone: I thought I saw something about C++ exceptions in the stacks, yes
16:34 smorgan: I don't know enough about the exact implementation of how Breakpad watches crashes to know if that's true
16:34 ardissone: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1194790
16:35 pinkerton: i'm pretty sure C++ exceptions aren't the kind of signals that breakpad catches. i think it just calls exit() at the top level
16:35 pinkerton: ah, abort
16:35 pinkerton: maybe ask mento?
16:35 smorgan: mento says "iffy" on 10.6
16:35 pinkerton: doesn't seem like that would be caught.
16:35 ardissone: k
16:36 smorgan: So it's nothing we are doing wrong
16:36 ardissone:  :)
16:36 pinkerton: what's throwing an exception? is that 3rd party code?
16:36 pinkerton: gecko doesn't use exceptions
16:36 ardissone: still sad, but good things aren't us
16:36 ardissone: libFontParser.dylib ?
16:37 pinkerton: shouldn't throw C++ exceptions, nothing in the frameworks should be doing that
16:37 ardissone: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646016#c4 is a the full report i excerpted
16:37 ardissone: it's all OS until frame 24
16:38 ardissone: 24 org.mozilla.camino 0x007418da gfxAtsuiFont::InitMetrics(unsigned long, unsigned long) + 364
16:38 pinkerton: yuck
16:38 pinkerton: that's pretty shitty
16:38 smorgan: pinkerton: I'm pretty sure the frameworks shouldn't be crashing in any form ;)
16:38 ardissone: the font fixes in 10.6.7 seem pretty broken
16:39 ardissone: they broke PS fonts again, apparently
16:39 pinkerton: maybe post to frameworksIT and say "hey, why is your shitty framework throwing exceptions through my code?!"
16:39 smorgan: The good news is that since breakpad is firing, they are getting all of these
16:39 ardissone: s/is/isn't/
16:39 ardissone:  :)
16:39 smorgan: Right
16:39 ardissone: yeah
16:39 pinkerton: like they care
16:39 smorgan: So unless everyone already updated to FF4, the FF3.6 flood should be pretty big
16:40 ardissone: and that hasn't been pushed yet
16:40 ardissone: i've heard very scattered reports of Chrome having the same problems, too
16:40 smorgan: Oh, it doesn't AU yet?
16:40 ardissone: no
16:40 ardissone: they have to shake out all the bugs yet
16:40 ardissone: maybe not until 4.0.1
16:41 ardissone: a manual check for updates might get 4 now; i forget
16:41 ardissone: they were talking about doing that at one point
16:41 ardissone: anyway…
16:41 ardissone: font crashes suck
16:42 ardissone: i blogged the fix
16:42 ardissone: http://www.ardisson.org/afkar/2011/03/29/camino-crashes-after-upgrading-to-mac-os-x-10-6-7/
16:42 ardissone: so hopefully some people will see that
16:42 ardissone: plus we've got a thread on the forum
16:43 ardissone: there's one 1P toolbar crash with an email; i'll try to email him
16:43 ardissone: LastPass must have a new version
16:44 ardissone: LastPass
16:44 smorgan: I still haven't emailed them again
16:44 ardissone: where the next frame is the old [BWC tabView:didSelectTabViewItem:]
16:44 smorgan: I'll do a roundup and send them off RSN
16:44 ardissone: no emails for those people
16:44 ardissone: k
16:45 ardissone: anything else on 2.0.7?
16:46 ardissone: on 2.0.8, we're basically just waiting on b1 and me to have time
16:46 ardissone: steven's new jep is out, which was the thing we were waiting on outside of Camino
16:47 ardissone: there are some patches for Camino and Gecko that both need to land, but we're basically set now
16:48 ardissone: anything esle on 2.0.8?
16:48 ardissone: on 2.1
16:49 ardissone: for b1, we have a couple of pseudo-blockers waiting on reviews/in-flight: the rest of the chrome reg stuff/ad-blocking overrides, and autocomplete hover
16:49 ardissone: and the blocker is Gecko strings
16:49 ardissone: which i've started, but I've been swamped between RL and comodo :P
16:50 ardissone: hope to get a little time again this weekend
16:51 ardissone: post-b1, we'll have a few other things to try and wrap up (e.g., pinch)
16:52 ardissone: but i think we can likely make the schedule Stuart promised in the blog post :)
16:53 ardissone: and, one day, we hope pink will be able to attack his sr queue and make sure there's nothing that's been overlooked accidentally :)
16:53 pinkerton: sorry
16:53 ardissone: 's ok; hyatt's been very helpful keeping us moving ;)
16:54 smorgan: He's a sport
16:55 ardissone: anything else today?
16:56 smorgan: Nothing from me
16:56 ardissone: pinkerton: good to see you again :)
16:57 pinkerton:  :)
16:57 pinkerton: next week i'll be in london, so you won't see me
16:57 ardissone: nothing like a visit from the fearless leader :)
16:57 ardissone: k
16:57 ardissone: have a good time, then, and safe travels
16:58 ardissone: ok, then; everyone please have a good week, and work on 2.1/b1 bugs/reviews :)
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