Status Meetings:2010-11-03:Log

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16:01	ardissone:	smorgan: pink?
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16:01	smorgan:	checking
16:01	ardissone:	k
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16:05	ardissone:	brb
16:11	ardissone:	?
16:15	smorgan:	No answer
16:15	ardissone:	ok
16:15	ilya:	what's the question?
16:15	ardissone:	"pink?"
16:15	ardissone:	let's go then
16:15	ilya:	oh — he's in a meeting
16:16	ardissone:	heh
16:16	smorgan:	I have to leave in 15 min, so we should front-load anything I need to be here for
16:16	ardissone:	k
16:16	ardissone:	did you see my comments in bug 493474?
16:18	ardissone:	on 2.0.5, julian showed up and complained about autocomplete not working, but never responded when i asked for details
16:18	ardissone:	other than that, no really new stuff
16:18	ardissone:	people noticed flash-check; we heard some mentions on the forum and twitter
16:19	smorgan:	Oops :(
16:19	smorgan:	I should have caught that
16:19	smorgan:	Go ahead and add it; sr=me
16:19	ardissone:	k
16:19	ardissone:	i should have looked at the patch sooner :(
16:20	ardissone:	when there's a chance, might be nice to see this week's Flash stats
16:20	ardissone:	we're ~55% 2.0.x on 2.0.5 now
16:20	smorgan:	It was ~43% current Flash
16:20	smorgan:	I looked this morning
16:20	ardissone:	:)
16:20	ardissone:	still going up :)
16:21	smorgan:	I checked the few days before, it might be leveling out
16:21	smorgan:	hard to tell
16:21	ardissone:	k
16:21	smorgan:	Still, it's a solid jump
16:21	ardissone:	still, helpful :D
16:21	ardissone:	mhm
16:21	ardissone:	on crashes
16:21	ardissone:	we only have 1wk data, but even 2x we're a little under where we were with 2.0.4
16:22	ardissone:	KBL is still leading
16:22	ardissone:	Flash 10.1 and 10.0 are about equally split
16:22	ardissone:	10.1 has a slight lead
16:23	ardissone:	bottom half of top 10 is assorted stuff again, including Flash+libcrypto!
16:23	ardissone:	the "corrupt" stacks problem is pretty widespread
16:24	ardissone:	(-[BrowserWrapper removeTransientBar:display:] showing up below _start and start)
16:24	ardissone:	not sure what might be going on there
16:24	ardissone:	troubling, but the stacks seem OK otherwise, so not too troubling
16:25	ardissone:	also, we have a lot of 10.6.4 whatever-the-build-id-is crashes that don't have OS libraries resymbolize
16:25	ardissone:	d
16:25	ardissone:	with is annoying
16:25	ardissone:	it's not as bad as 10.4.11, but headed that way
16:26	ardissone:	anything else with 2.0.5?
16:27	ardissone:	skipping ahead
16:27	ardissone:	the big problem the past few weeks has been stuck queues
16:27	ardissone:	(r and sr)
16:27	ardissone:	pink cleared his this am :)
16:27	ardissone:	i pinged hendy, and he said he'd try to get to his soon
16:28	ardissone:	ilya said last night we needed to clone him a firefighter ;)
16:28	ardissone:	smorgan: still look like you'll have some camino time this week?
16:28	smorgan:	Yep
16:28	ardissone:	:)
16:29	smorgan:	Didn't last night because I was watching elections, but should for the rest of the week
16:29	ardissone:	here's hoping for 2.1a1 in November!
16:29	ardissone:	i left some comments in the history bug
16:29	smorgan:	I'm sure it'll happen; 2.1 is a small, quick release ;)
16:29	ardissone:	haha
16:30	ardissone:	small, yes; quick, no
16:30	smorgan:	1.9.0->1.9.2 isn't exactly small either
16:30	ardissone:	true
16:30	ardissone:	not at all
16:30	ardissone:	"small" in what users can see as features
16:30	smorgan:	I'm out; I'll lurk in channel though
16:30	ardissone:	k
16:31	ardissone:	so
16:31	ardissone:	back to 2.0.x
16:31	ardissone:	cpeterso pushed the Flash console spam bug inside Adobe, and it came back WONTFIX
16:31	ilya:	pink just walked by — might be popping in in a little while
16:31	ardissone:	k
16:32	ardissone:	which is not much of a surprise
16:33	ardissone:	but it's still unclear what's causing it
16:33	ardissone:	and would have been nice if we could have gotten some info from Adobe
16:34	ardissone:	otherwise, for 2.0.6 we have some bookmarks metadata cleanup fixes
16:34	ardissone:	probably the "dls with no content-length appear cancelled"
16:34	ardissone:	and whatever assorted other fixes we have
16:35	ardissone:	stuart will look at KBL again after 2.1a1 is out
16:36	ardissone:	it's disturbing how this crash came out of nowhere and ramped up
16:36	ardissone:	and that there appears to be no way to reproduce it
16:37	ardissone:	anything else on 2.0.x?
16:38	ardissone:	On 2.1
16:38	ardissone:	we're getting closer to the first "end" of Stuart's history rewrite
16:38	ardissone:	that will get autocomplete back to fast enough to Alpha!
16:39	ardissone:	some of the ENSURE(foo) failures are worrisome
16:39	ardissone:	i logged some last weekend when working on another bug
16:40	ardissone:	and commented in the history bug and the bug related to one the specific errors, which we'd filed all the way back in March!
16:41	Wevah:	have you complained about any of my bugs yet?
16:41	Wevah:	>_<
16:41	ardissone:	:P
16:41	ardissone:	"Wevah doesn't have enough bugs!"
16:41	Wevah:	uhh
16:42	ardissone:	Wevah: did I cc you recently on a bug?
16:42	Wevah:	uhh
16:42	Wevah:	i have no idea
16:42	ardissone:	is still trying to figure out what that was
16:42	ardissone:	moz@derailer doesn't get mail, or that mail doesn't get read? ;)
16:43	ardissone:	i pinged murph over the weekend, too, about coming back to do pinch; no reply from him yet
16:44	ardissone:	as i alluded to earlier, hendy did say he'd try to be back soon
16:44	ardissone:	cl should be back next week
16:44	Wevah:	it gets dumped into a bugzilla folder which i rarely look at
16:44	Wevah:	:/
16:44	ardissone:	heh
16:45	ardissone:	Anyway, the two big things we have to fix for 2.1 are history/autocomplete regressions and focus regressions
16:45	ardissone:	both of which are nasty
16:47	ardissone:	anything else on 2.1/a1?
16:48	ardissone:	haha
16:49	ardissone:	bug 417963 and bug 363895 sound like things for Wevah
16:49	ardissone:	(see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363895#c9)
16:49	ardissone:	"write a test app" is Wevah's m.o. :)
16:50	Wevah:	are they cocoa menus?
16:50	ardissone:	yeah, NSMenus
16:50	Wevah:	cant we just use alternate menu items?
16:50	ardissone:	no
16:50	Wevah:	why not?
16:50	ardissone:	well, we do in some places
16:50	ardissone:	and it's hacky
16:51	Wevah:	how is it hacky?
16:51	ardissone:	and hard to do in others
16:51	ardissone:	and causes things like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=587323
16:52	ardissone:	we have to do lots of special-casing for counting, and have to move things out of nibs into code, and then we still have bugs
16:52	Wevah:	could override the accessibility title somehow, but that'd still mean a lot of voiceover
16:52	Wevah:	i guess the only real option is GetCurrentEventKeyModifiers() or whatever
16:53	ardissone:	that screws up spaces on 10.6
16:53	Wevah:	whatever one returns the actual current hardware state instead of the cached flags
16:53	Wevah:	then you are screwed!
16:53	Wevah:	i got nothin'
16:54	ardissone:	well, the Apple docs claim what we want to do is fixed
16:54	Wevah:	how does it screw up spaces?
16:54	Wevah:	that seems really strange
16:54	ardissone:	they're just ambiguous as to what the requirements are
16:55	ardissone:	whether it's runtime, SDK, build host, or what
16:55	Wevah:	oh wait i just read the comment about currentEvent
16:55	ardissone:	;)
16:56	ardissone:	(bug 516249 is how it screws up spaces, btw)
16:56	Wevah:	that should work fine as long as we're liking on 10.5/don't need to support 10.4 or under
16:56	ardissone:	we still support 10.4
16:56	ardissone:	10.4 sdk, 10.5 buildhost
16:56	Wevah:	i think the only reason i couldn't use it in a certain app was it breaks if the app isn't the foreground app (which matters for status item apps, but not normal ones)
16:56	ardissone:	10.4 min runtime
16:57	Wevah:	i admit it i don't really pay attention to 10.4 stuff anymore :S
16:57	Wevah:	er, admit that
16:58	ardissone:	well, this is going to be the last hurrah for 10.4 and PPC, so we still have to care ;)
16:58	Wevah:	blech
16:58	Wevah:	!
16:59	ardissone:	In other news, Sam reported last week that he had indeed mailed the AppZapper folks again
16:59	ardissone:	no response yet at that time
17:00	ardissone:	We're also due this month for a server migration
17:00	ardissone:	which should hopefully unblock a whole bunch of piled-up website bugs
17:01	ardissone:	hopefully also leading to caminoplanet running without intervention :P
17:01	ardissone:	and not gagging on my feed :P
17:01	Wevah:	i already had a negative opinion of appzapper
17:02	ardissone:	before they suggested it was the perfect way to "clean up" after Camino nightly builds? ;)
17:02	Wevah:	before that yeah
17:02	ardissone:	i think that about covers everything I had
17:02	ardissone:	anyone have anything else?
17:04	ardissone:	ok then
17:04	ardissone:	everyone please work on 2.1/a1 bugs and reviews, and have a good week! :)