Status Meetings:2011-03-30:Log

Log from #camino-mtg starting 2011-03-30 15:59:26 -0400

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15:59		» ardissone was promoted to operator by ChanServ.
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15:59	ardissone:	brb
16:08	ardissone:	guesses stuart's at lunch?
16:08	pinkerton:	not sure, haven't seem him around for a few hours
16:09	pinkerton:	idle 3 hours at work
16:09	ardissone:	yeah, he hasn't said anything in #camino since 2:45
16:09	pinkerton:	maybe he's doing visa stuff
16:10	ardissone:	he's joining ss as a world traveller? :)
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16:10		» smorgan was promoted to operator by ardissone.
16:10	ardissone:	ok
16:10	pinkerton:	speak of the devil
16:10		» ardissone changed the topic to "http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2011-03-30:Agenda".
16:10	ardissone:	:)
16:11	ardissone:	I guess we lead this week with the doom-and-gloom
16:11	ardissone:	http://caminobrowser.org/blog/2011/#mozembedding for anyone who hasn't seen it
16:12	pinkerton:	i'm surprised i haven't gotten any pings about it
16:12	ardissone:	(stuart's also done a couple of nice follow-ups on his own; check them out via caminoplanet or escapedthoughts)
16:12	smorgan:	pinkerton: except that one email ;)
16:12	pinkerton:	except some fucknut on feedback telling us that we're not useful anymore
16:12	pinkerton:	yeah.
16:12	ardissone:	yeah, reaction has been muted
16:13	ardissone:	:P
16:13	ardissone:	not sure if everyone is distracted by comodogate, wwdc-is-broken-gate, or what
16:14	pinkerton:	heh
16:14	ardissone:	10.6.7-font-crash-gate :P
16:14	pinkerton:	mmm yeah
16:15	ardissone:	but as the post said, we're back to work on Camino.now
16:15	ardissone:	since last Tuesday, we've got 2/3 of 2.0.6's users to 2.0.7, and 3/4 of 2.1a1's users to 2.1a2pre
16:17	ardissone:	the bizarre thing on 2.1.x is that there are still more crashes for 2.1a1 than for 2.1a2pre :P
16:17	smorgan:	That means we rock! ;)
16:17	ardissone:	i didn't really spend much time poking at that
16:17	ardissone:	?
16:17	smorgan:	We fixed all the crashes
16:17	smorgan:	Even the ones we don't understand
16:17	ardissone:	oh, haha
16:17	smorgan:	Or are in Flash or Gecko
16:17	ardissone:	:D
16:18	ardissone:	s/we/smorgan/ ;)
16:18	ardissone:	on 2.0.7
16:19	smorgan:	(Camino 2 Intel's Flash numbers for yesterday: 30%/12%/42%)
16:19	ardissone:	smorgan: do we have new Flash numbers?
16:19	ardissone:	haha!
16:19	ardissone:	what's the third value?
16:19	smorgan:	10.1r102
16:19	ardissone:	k
16:20	smorgan:	2.0.7 overal is 40%/9%/38%
16:20	ardissone:	iirc, the first number has gone up since last week
16:20	smorgan:	These are both the including-welcome-and-start values
16:20	ardissone:	mhm
16:20	smorgan:	Yep, progress is being made on 10.2.latest
16:20	ardissone:	:)
16:20	smorgan:	I think having it be #1 for 2.0.7 users is new
16:21	ardissone:	:)
16:21	smorgan:	(Safari is 11%/16%/34% for comparison)
16:21	ardissone:	:O
16:21	smorgan:	Yeah, I think it's safe to say our prompt helps
16:21	pinkerton:	wait, what?
16:22	ardissone:	Vistors to cbo
16:22	smorgan:	Oh wait, 17% have "not set". Weird
16:22	ardissone:	no Flash?
16:23	smorgan:	I guess
16:23	smorgan:	(Chrome: 97%/1%/<1% in case you were wondering ;) )
16:24	ardissone:	apparently shipping one's own Flash+silent updates really helps ;)
16:24	pinkerton:	shock
16:24	ardissone:	The other stat-of-the-day is that our PPC usage finally dropped below 25% this week (24.97%, so just barely)
16:25	pinkerton:	wow
16:26	smorgan:	We should run OS+arch numbers again sometime from raw data
16:27	ardissone:	10.3 is under 8%; 10.4 ~17%, 10.5 ~25%, 10.6 ~50%
16:28	ardissone:	i can get you a weekly logfile; they're about 75MB uncompressed
16:28	smorgan:	Sounds good
16:28	ardissone:	depending on the # of garbage pings that week :P
16:29	ardissone:	ok, on to 2.0.7 crashes
16:29	ardissone:	crash rate is about what we'd expect for a week
16:30	ardissone:	a bit lower due to early adoption
16:30	ardissone:	also
16:30	ardissone:	It appears that certain font-related crashes are not triggering Breakpad
16:30	ardissone:	so any of them we cannot see :(
16:32	ardissone:	( some crashes do)
16:32	ardissone:	otherwise, the crashes are as expected :P
16:33	ardissone:	smorgan: any idea why those apparently aren't triggering breakpad?
16:33	smorgan:	You said they were C++ exceptions, right?
16:33	smorgan:	Maybe Breakpad doesn't catch those?
16:34	ardissone:	I thought I saw something about C++ exceptions in the stacks, yes
16:34	smorgan:	I don't know enough about the exact implementation of how Breakpad watches crashes to know if that's true
16:34	ardissone:	http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1194790
16:35	pinkerton:	i'm pretty sure C++ exceptions aren't the kind of signals that breakpad catches. i think it just calls exit() at the top level
16:35	pinkerton:	ah, abort
16:35	pinkerton:	maybe ask mento?
16:35	smorgan:	mento says "iffy" on 10.6
16:35	pinkerton:	doesn't seem like that would be caught.
16:35	ardissone:	k
16:36	smorgan:	So it's nothing we are doing wrong
16:36	ardissone:	:)
16:36	pinkerton:	what's throwing an exception? is that 3rd party code?
16:36	pinkerton:	gecko doesn't use exceptions
16:36	ardissone:	still sad, but good things aren't us
16:36	ardissone:	libFontParser.dylib ?
16:37	pinkerton:	shouldn't throw C++ exceptions, nothing in the frameworks should be doing that
16:37	ardissone:	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646016#c4 is a the full report i excerpted
16:37	ardissone:	it's all OS until frame 24
16:38	ardissone:	24 org.mozilla.camino 0x007418da gfxAtsuiFont::InitMetrics(unsigned long, unsigned long) + 364
16:38	pinkerton:	yuck
16:38	pinkerton:	that's pretty shitty
16:38	smorgan:	pinkerton: I'm pretty sure the frameworks shouldn't be crashing in any form ;)
16:38	ardissone:	the font fixes in 10.6.7 seem pretty broken
16:39	ardissone:	they broke PS fonts again, apparently
16:39	pinkerton:	maybe post to frameworksIT and say "hey, why is your shitty framework throwing exceptions through my code?!"
16:39	smorgan:	The good news is that since breakpad is firing, they are getting all of these
16:39	ardissone:	s/is/isn't/
16:39	ardissone:	:)
16:39	smorgan:	Right
16:39	ardissone:	yeah
16:39	pinkerton:	like they care
16:39	smorgan:	So unless everyone already updated to FF4, the FF3.6 flood should be pretty big
16:40	ardissone:	and that hasn't been pushed yet
16:40	ardissone:	i've heard very scattered reports of Chrome having the same problems, too
16:40	smorgan:	Oh, it doesn't AU yet?
16:40	ardissone:	no
16:40	ardissone:	they have to shake out all the bugs yet
16:40	ardissone:	maybe not until 4.0.1
16:41	ardissone:	a manual check for updates might get 4 now; i forget
16:41	ardissone:	they were talking about doing that at one point
16:41	ardissone:	anyway…
16:41	ardissone:	font crashes suck
16:42	ardissone:	i blogged the fix
16:42	ardissone:	http://www.ardisson.org/afkar/2011/03/29/camino-crashes-after-upgrading-to-mac-os-x-10-6-7/
16:42	ardissone:	so hopefully some people will see that
16:42	ardissone:	plus we've got a thread on the forum
16:43	ardissone:	there's one 1P toolbar crash with an email; i'll try to email him
16:43	ardissone:	LastPass must have a new version
16:44	ardissone:	LastPass
16:44	smorgan:	I still haven't emailed them again
16:44	ardissone:	where the next frame is the old [BWC tabView:didSelectTabViewItem:]
16:44	smorgan:	I'll do a roundup and send them off RSN
16:44	ardissone:	no emails for those people
16:44	ardissone:	k
16:45	ardissone:	anything else on 2.0.7?
16:46	ardissone:	on 2.0.8, we're basically just waiting on b1 and me to have time
16:46	ardissone:	steven's new jep is out, which was the thing we were waiting on outside of Camino
16:47	ardissone:	there are some patches for Camino and Gecko that both need to land, but we're basically set now
16:48	ardissone:	anything esle on 2.0.8?
16:48	ardissone:	on 2.1
16:49	ardissone:	for b1, we have a couple of pseudo-blockers waiting on reviews/in-flight: the rest of the chrome reg stuff/ad-blocking overrides, and autocomplete hover
16:49	ardissone:	and the blocker is Gecko strings
16:49	ardissone:	which i've started, but I've been swamped between RL and comodo :P
16:50	ardissone:	hope to get a little time again this weekend
16:51	ardissone:	post-b1, we'll have a few other things to try and wrap up (e.g., pinch)
16:52	ardissone:	but i think we can likely make the schedule Stuart promised in the blog post :)
16:53	ardissone:	and, one day, we hope pink will be able to attack his sr queue and make sure there's nothing that's been overlooked accidentally :)
16:53	pinkerton:	sorry
16:53	ardissone:	's ok; hyatt's been very helpful keeping us moving ;)
16:54	smorgan:	He's a sport
16:55	ardissone:	anything else today?
16:56	smorgan:	Nothing from me
16:56	ardissone:	pinkerton: good to see you again :)
16:57	pinkerton:	:)
16:57	pinkerton:	next week i'll be in london, so you won't see me
16:57	ardissone:	nothing like a visit from the fearless leader :)
16:57	ardissone:	k
16:57	ardissone:	have a good time, then, and safe travels
16:58	ardissone:	ok, then; everyone please have a good week, and work on 2.1/b1 bugs/reviews :)